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Forums - Sony Discussion - Sony Not Expecting PS4's Profit Margins to Be As High as PS2

During this morning’s Investor Relations Day held by Sony in Tokyo, PlayStation head honcho Andrew House held a presentation in which he explained that the gaming arm of the companyaims to increase the operating income margin to between 5 and 6% of the revenue by the fiscal year 2017.

This raised questions among analysts on why Sony predicts lower income margins during the first part of the life cycle of the PS4 won’t be as high as those in previous life cycles, especially considering the shift towards a network-oriented business.

House explained the reason, also mentioning that the company is taking a conservative approach to its forecasts.

I think you’re specifically referring to the PlayStation 2 life cycle where saw peack margins in the double digit range. You’ve also almost implicitly answered the question in the question itself. A lot of this is driven by a structural shift in the business away from purely physical media to a much more complex margin structure around network distribution.

A point that I would highlight is that on the PlayStation 2 life cycle, because we were dealing only with third party physical sales it was a royalty base model and obviously now that shifted to more of an e-commerce-based retailer margin model, and that is having significantly some impact on the shift.

I think as well that we are seeing some more complexity in the form of the way the consumers are purchasing content. We’ve moved from buying purely a single game sale to the purchase of add-on content, to the purchase of avatars, micropurchases that are associated with the game. We’re starting to see the emergence of free to play games, which are making their way to consoles for the first time.

I would say in summary that based on many of these different shifts, this is leading us to take a somewhat more of a conservative view of the outlook for margins over the business. We feel that’s a reasonable way to approach the planning for this cycle.

We’ll have to wait and see if the PS4 and the rest of the PlayStation business will manage to outperform Sony’s conservative approach. Things seem to be going well, and the Sony isaggressively reducing production costs. Time will tell how successful they will be.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/11/25/sony-explains-why-the-ps4-eras-income-margins-might-not-be-as-big-as-ps2s-its-a-conservative-approach/



    

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At least they're still profiting from day 1.



Mystro-Sama said:
At least they're still profiting from day 1.


Not day 1. First quarter of Ps4 release, Sony made a loss in the game and network divsion



Maintaining and upgrading their network services costs lots of money. They also have some tough competition and not just from Microsoft, mobile is a factor now when it wasn't back then. It's good they are keeping their expectations in check.



iTechHeads said:
 They also have some tough competition and not just from Microsoft, 

I'd hardly call Xbox One "tough competition". Sony won this generation pretty much by default after MS and Ninty shot themselves in the foot too badly to pose a threat.



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Good they got their expectations in check.



I think you redirect to the wrong link for the agressive cost reduction



Good and reasonable, I know the PS4 is going to perform really well in the coming years but not as big as PS2 levels. Its good they kept expectations in check and not over assume things based on current sales trend



curl-6 said:
iTechHeads said:
 They also have some tough competition and not just from Microsoft, 

I'd hardly call Xbox One "tough competition". Sony won this generation pretty much by default after MS and Ninty shot themselves in the foot too badly to pose a threat.

But the X1 taking away from potential PS4 sales.

Let me put it this way. If Vita went away, the 3DS would benefit much. If X1 went away, PS4 would get a massive sales boost.



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Mr Puggsly said:
curl-6 said:
iTechHeads said:
 They also have some tough competition and not just from Microsoft, 

I'd hardly call Xbox One "tough competition". Sony won this generation pretty much by default after MS and Ninty shot themselves in the foot too badly to pose a threat.

But the X1 taking away from potential PS4 sales.

Let me put it this way. If Vita went away, the 3DS would benefit much. If X1 went away, PS4 would get a massive sales boost.

It's still competition, I just wouldn't call it "strong" competition as PS4 is very easily trouncing Xbone in sales.