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DonFerrari said:
Materia-Blade said:

the site has a list, I don't have to name everything.


You don't, but if you want to make a point name 3 on each condition, you know because the burden of proof is for the claimer... You know WiiU have been selling really bad on SW and most things non-Nintendo flopped.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=WiiU&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

And saying most things non nintendo flopped is outright wrong.



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VanceIX said:

Well, can't say I agree with your decisions, but it's not my money :P

It is a matter of tastes and likes anyway, I liked Smash a lot during the Gamecube era and I played it a lot, maybe too much, because I purchased Brawl and varely touch it, then all my friends started to play it "for glory" (only final destination, no items and 1 vs 1) and it lost all appeal, and I am not interested in this one, no matter how much content is has, it is after all the same core game, fight with a character against the CPU or your friends to make them fall of the screen.

Watch_dogs on the other hand is something new, with an actual plot, different and interesting for me, the kind of game we usually don't get on the console, I know is not a perfect game (I have read the reviews), but the port is solid and is something that will change the usual content of my Wii U, so I was inmediatly interested. As I mentioned before the delay sucks and they should have reduce the price of the game but at least now I can play it, also I have a friend that works in Ubisoft and I understand why it was delayed after all.



flagstaad said:
VanceIX said:

Well, can't say I agree with your decisions, but it's not my money :P

It is a matter of tastes and likes anyway, I liked Smash a lot during the Gamecube era and I played it a lot, maybe too much, because I purchased Brawl and varely touch it, then all my friends started to play it "for glory" (only final destination, no items and 1 vs 1) and it lost all appeal, and I am not interested in this one, no matter how much content is has, it is after all the same core game, fight with a character against the CPU or your friends to make them fall of the screen.

Watch_dogs on the other hand is something new, with an actual plot, different and interesting for me, the kind of game we usually don't get on the console, I know is not a perfect game (I have read the reviews), but the port is solid and is something that will change the usual content of my Wii U, so I was inmediatly interested. As I mentioned before the delay sucks and they should have reduce the price of the game but at least now I can play it, also I have a friend that works in Ubisoft and I understand why it was delayed after all.

Ah, gotcha. Well, I can't begrudge someone their likings in games.



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snowdog said:
And there STILL isn't a single review of the game anywhere to be seen on Metacritic.

Ubisoft did not sent review copies and the only websites/magazines that will actually review the game for the Wii U are those that only cover Nintendo content, which are also the smaller ones who don't count in metacritic.Not even the PS3 and Xbox 360 got enough reviews and those versions were released at the same time as the PS4 and X1.

I have seen a few reviews for the Wii U version, and let me give you the summary: It is still the same game, you can have a lot of fun with it but it lacks polish in a few areas, some missions can be a bother to complete, but there is good variety along the game. The port is very solid, with only a few minor framedrops, particulary during the driving and the Gamepad use for the map is not very innovative but actually useful for the player. If you are looking for a number, I would say it will get the same score as the PS4 and X1 versions, so a 7.9 over 10.



Materia-Blade said:
DonFerrari said:
Materia-Blade said:

the site has a list, I don't have to name everything.


You don't, but if you want to make a point name 3 on each condition, you know because the burden of proof is for the claimer... You know WiiU have been selling really bad on SW and most things non-Nintendo flopped.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=WiiU&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

And saying most things non nintendo flopped is outright wrong.


Since you are so lazy I'll help you out.

First non-Nintendo game 11 ZombiU (ubisoft) - sold 740k

Then 16 Rayman Legends (ubisoft) - 390k

17 Disney Infinity (disney) -380 k

18 Sonic (Sega) - 360k

20 Lego (Warner) - 330k

Mention to Hyrule Warriors and Bayoneta that even though are Nintendo published and Advertised a lot didn't even break 400k yet.

Only one game that was bundled to hell and release title broke 500k on WiiU. Most of them would be considered flops in X1/PS4 if exclusives to them, and bomba if they were big Multis. And you want to complain about the trash support Ubi gives, but it seems like they make the most 3rd support for the system, Just Dance is 21.

For comparison.

1. Fifa 15 (EA) - 4M (yep, probably outsell all 3rd parties in the WiiU by itself)

2. CoD AW (Acti) - 3.93M

3. Destiny (Acti) - 3.66M

4. WatchDogs (Ubi) - 3.32M

5. CoD Ghost (Acti) - 2.79M

6. Fifa 14 (delayed port - EA) - 2.61M

7. BF 4 (EA) - 2.27M

9. AC IV (Ubi) - 1.94M

13. NFS Rivals (EA) - 1.14M

14. Shadows of Mordor (Warner) - 1.13M

15. AC U (Ubi)- 1.13M

16. NBA 2K14 (EA) - 1.06M

17. Madden 15 (EA) - 1.02M

18. MGS PP (Konami) - 0.94M

19. Wolfestein (Bethesda) - 0.87M

20. Evil Within (Bethesda) - 0.83M

So on PS4 we have 15 3rd parties that outsold the great sucess ZombiU, and 25 that outsold the ubber sucess Bayoneta 2. Besides that PS4 will certainly have more than 20 million sellers by the end of the year, while WiiU maybe will have 10 and none of them would be 3rd parties... isn't that flopping for 3rd parties on WiiU?

Just to put on general numbers for X1 since we weren't talking about them. From their top 20, 15 are 3rd parties and 4 are published by MS but only one is 1st parties... do you get why 3rd parties also love MS platforms? Even though the sales are quite lower than PS4 it is still more healthy, easier to port and closer demographic than WiiU.

But since WiiU is kinda of a bomba I'll concede and look for 7th gen to see if things were a little better.

It seems quite better... altough it is position 10 and 11 Just dance 2 and 3 sold 9.98M and 9.37M quite good. At 14 Mario and Sonic with 7.94M that I'll accept as 3rd party even with Mario pushing sales. 16. Just Dance again 7.12M. 18 Just Dance 4 6.62M. 19. Zumba Fitness 6.61M... all of them had to be specially tailored for Wii audience to sell well, but let's see how normal multiplats done??? 

53. CoD 3 with 2.22M, RE4 2.19M, 66. CoD WW 1.91M, 73. Golden Eye 1.79M, 95. CoD MW Reflection 1.5M, we can see there isn't many but they sold healthy and that is why Wii had some 3rd party support from multiplats and quite good support for specific games that catered to its audience... but comparing to PS3 that was said to have no game and to sell no SW let's see how it confronts?

1. GTA V 18.82M, 2. CoD BO II 13.11M, 3. CoD MW 3 13.11M, 4. CoD BO 12.31M, 6. CoD MW2 10.45M, 7. GTA IV 10.24M, 8. CoD Ghost 9.22M, 9. Fifa 13 8.08M, 10. BF 3 7.02M.................. etc. It doesn't even compare. 

So let's stop pretending that WiiU owners would support 3rd parties if they catered to them with all the demands you guys do when they just have to release the games they are used to on PS4/X1 and sell much more. WD would flop on WiiU no matter what.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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@Don Ferrari

You completely nailed it.



If they would have released it at the same time as the PS4, Xbone version it would have sold much better, att when the PS4 version can be purchase for $19 it makes no sense to buy the same game at full price.



DonFerrari said:


Since you are so lazy I'll help you out.

First non-Nintendo game 11 ZombiU (ubisoft) - sold 740k

Then 16 Rayman Legends (ubisoft) - 390k

17 Disney Infinity (disney) -380 k

18 Sonic (Sega) - 360k

20 Lego (Warner) - 330k

Mention to Hyrule Warriors and Bayoneta that even though are Nintendo published and Advertised a lot didn't even break 400k yet.

Only one game that was bundled to hell and release title broke 500k on WiiU. Most of them would be considered flops in X1/PS4 if exclusives to them, and bomba if they were big Multis. And you want to complain about the trash support Ubi gives, but it seems like they make the most 3rd support for the system, Just Dance is 21.

For comparison.

1. Fifa 15 (EA) - 4M (yep, probably outsell all 3rd parties in the WiiU by itself)

2. CoD AW (Acti) - 3.93M

3. Destiny (Acti) - 3.66M

4. WatchDogs (Ubi) - 3.32M

5. CoD Ghost (Acti) - 2.79M

6. Fifa 14 (delayed port - EA) - 2.61M

7. BF 4 (EA) - 2.27M

9. AC IV (Ubi) - 1.94M

13. NFS Rivals (EA) - 1.14M

14. Shadows of Mordor (Warner) - 1.13M

15. AC U (Ubi)- 1.13M

16. NBA 2K14 (EA) - 1.06M

17. Madden 15 (EA) - 1.02M

18. MGS PP (Konami) - 0.94M

19. Wolfestein (Bethesda) - 0.87M

20. Evil Within (Bethesda) - 0.83M

So on PS4 we have 15 3rd parties that outsold the great sucess ZombiU, and 25 that outsold the ubber sucess Bayoneta 2. Besides that PS4 will certainly have more than 20 million sellers by the end of the year, while WiiU maybe will have 10 and none of them would be 3rd parties... isn't that flopping for 3rd parties on WiiU?

Just to put on general numbers for X1 since we weren't talking about them. From their top 20, 15 are 3rd parties and 4 are published by MS but only one is 1st parties... do you get why 3rd parties also love MS platforms? Even though the sales are quite lower than PS4 it is still more healthy, easier to port and closer demographic than WiiU.

But since WiiU is kinda of a bomba I'll concede and look for 7th gen to see if things were a little better.

It seems quite better... altough it is position 10 and 11 Just dance 2 and 3 sold 9.98M and 9.37M quite good. At 14 Mario and Sonic with 7.94M that I'll accept as 3rd party even with Mario pushing sales. 16. Just Dance again 7.12M. 18 Just Dance 4 6.62M. 19. Zumba Fitness 6.61M... all of them had to be specially tailored for Wii audience to sell well, but let's see how normal multiplats done??? 

53. CoD 3 with 2.22M, RE4 2.19M, 66. CoD WW 1.91M, 73. Golden Eye 1.79M, 95. CoD MW Reflection 1.5M, we can see there isn't many but they sold healthy and that is why Wii had some 3rd party support from multiplats and quite good support for specific games that catered to its audience... but comparing to PS3 that was said to have no game and to sell no SW let's see how it confronts?

1. GTA V 18.82M, 2. CoD BO II 13.11M, 3. CoD MW 3 13.11M, 4. CoD BO 12.31M, 6. CoD MW2 10.45M, 7. GTA IV 10.24M, 8. CoD Ghost 9.22M, 9. Fifa 13 8.08M, 10. BF 3 7.02M.................. etc. It doesn't even compare. 

So let's stop pretending that WiiU owners would support 3rd parties if they catered to them with all the demands you guys do when they just have to release the games they are used to on PS4/X1 and sell much more. WD would flop on WiiU no matter what.

HW broke 400k, and even 500k. bayonetta 2 will soon.



Materia-Blade said:
DonFerrari said:


Since you are so lazy I'll help you out.

First non-Nintendo game 11 ZombiU (ubisoft) - sold 740k

Then 16 Rayman Legends (ubisoft) - 390k

17 Disney Infinity (disney) -380 k

18 Sonic (Sega) - 360k

20 Lego (Warner) - 330k

Mention to Hyrule Warriors and Bayoneta that even though are Nintendo published and Advertised a lot didn't even break 400k yet.

Only one game that was bundled to hell and release title broke 500k on WiiU. Most of them would be considered flops in X1/PS4 if exclusives to them, and bomba if they were big Multis. And you want to complain about the trash support Ubi gives, but it seems like they make the most 3rd support for the system, Just Dance is 21.

For comparison.

1. Fifa 15 (EA) - 4M (yep, probably outsell all 3rd parties in the WiiU by itself)

2. CoD AW (Acti) - 3.93M

3. Destiny (Acti) - 3.66M

4. WatchDogs (Ubi) - 3.32M

5. CoD Ghost (Acti) - 2.79M

6. Fifa 14 (delayed port - EA) - 2.61M

7. BF 4 (EA) - 2.27M

9. AC IV (Ubi) - 1.94M

13. NFS Rivals (EA) - 1.14M

14. Shadows of Mordor (Warner) - 1.13M

15. AC U (Ubi)- 1.13M

16. NBA 2K14 (EA) - 1.06M

17. Madden 15 (EA) - 1.02M

18. MGS PP (Konami) - 0.94M

19. Wolfestein (Bethesda) - 0.87M

20. Evil Within (Bethesda) - 0.83M

So on PS4 we have 15 3rd parties that outsold the great sucess ZombiU, and 25 that outsold the ubber sucess Bayoneta 2. Besides that PS4 will certainly have more than 20 million sellers by the end of the year, while WiiU maybe will have 10 and none of them would be 3rd parties... isn't that flopping for 3rd parties on WiiU?

Just to put on general numbers for X1 since we weren't talking about them. From their top 20, 15 are 3rd parties and 4 are published by MS but only one is 1st parties... do you get why 3rd parties also love MS platforms? Even though the sales are quite lower than PS4 it is still more healthy, easier to port and closer demographic than WiiU.

But since WiiU is kinda of a bomba I'll concede and look for 7th gen to see if things were a little better.

It seems quite better... altough it is position 10 and 11 Just dance 2 and 3 sold 9.98M and 9.37M quite good. At 14 Mario and Sonic with 7.94M that I'll accept as 3rd party even with Mario pushing sales. 16. Just Dance again 7.12M. 18 Just Dance 4 6.62M. 19. Zumba Fitness 6.61M... all of them had to be specially tailored for Wii audience to sell well, but let's see how normal multiplats done??? 

53. CoD 3 with 2.22M, RE4 2.19M, 66. CoD WW 1.91M, 73. Golden Eye 1.79M, 95. CoD MW Reflection 1.5M, we can see there isn't many but they sold healthy and that is why Wii had some 3rd party support from multiplats and quite good support for specific games that catered to its audience... but comparing to PS3 that was said to have no game and to sell no SW let's see how it confronts?

1. GTA V 18.82M, 2. CoD BO II 13.11M, 3. CoD MW 3 13.11M, 4. CoD BO 12.31M, 6. CoD MW2 10.45M, 7. GTA IV 10.24M, 8. CoD Ghost 9.22M, 9. Fifa 13 8.08M, 10. BF 3 7.02M.................. etc. It doesn't even compare. 

So let's stop pretending that WiiU owners would support 3rd parties if they catered to them with all the demands you guys do when they just have to release the games they are used to on PS4/X1 and sell much more. WD would flop on WiiU no matter what.

HW broke 400k, and even 500k. bayonetta 2 will soon.


My bad... HW is 500k even though it is a Zelda spin-off... but curiously you didn't answer the point in question... 2 3rd parties games breaking 500k (and with luck Bayo2) is what you call a healthy enviroment for 3rd parties to push they support????



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Angelv577 said:
@Don Ferrari

You completely nailed it.


I think I'm too dummy to understand why a dev should stop focusing on the duo that can sell 5M copies and ignore or put a bad port on Wii that may sell 200k and start focusing on deving with WiiU focus so they can sell 500k on WiiU and maybe hit 1M on the other consoles... makes completely 0 sense.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."