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Incase people didn't know. Darren decided not to carry a taser because he finds it cumbersome and instead had several extra ammunition clips instead. He didn't use mace because he wears contacts and needed to shield with his left hand. He didn't grab his stick because he would have to lean forward and thought there wasn't enough room to extend in the car. So he grabbed his gun. He called for back-up but it didn't go through because he had his radio on the wrong channel. He thought if he was punched a third time it could be fatal or knock him out. He could only point out swelling from one picture of his face and every other pic he said the angle or light wasn't too well to point out the damage he recieved. He also called MB a demon several times and even called him an "it". His testimony at the hearing.



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pepharytheworm said:
Incase people didn't know. Darren decided not to carry a taser because he finds it cumbersome and instead had several extra ammunition clips instead. He didn't use mace because he wears contacts and needed to shield with his left hand. He didn't grab his stick because he would have to lean forward and thought there wasn't enough room to extend in the car. So he grabbed his gun. He called for back-up but it didn't go through because he had his radio on the wrong channel. He thought if he was punched a third time it could be fatal or knock him out. He could only point out swelling from one picture of his face and every other pic he said the angle or light wasn't too well to point out the damage he recieved. He also called MB a demon several times and even called him an "it". His testimony at the hearing.


Those are a lot of pieces to come together for Brown's death. I'm not sure I'll ever know the truth TBH.



Mr Khan said:
mtu9356 said:
Moral of the story: RESPECT authority

Even when authority has no respect for you?

Respect is to be earned, not given.

They have plenty of respect for you when you do not break the law. 



Hmm, pie.

I am sad that Obama ask for peacefull demonstrations instead of talking about the issues that USA have.

A good goverment is one that it is scared from its people and I am sad to see that almost army like police or maybe even the army goes to Fergusson.



greenmedic88 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

What consits of "interrogating"? Being a police officer gives you a right to question any person you choose to? Does that mean someone has to answer them whent hey are midning thier own business? Just asking quiestions here not saying that it is the same. So the cops are here to serve and protect the peopel but aren't trained to have a mindset to subdue? Just shoot ot kill? How can they not afford to have that mindset when they took an oath to protect?

The bolded confuses me instead of waiting for backup like they are trained to do he doesn't want to be a "pussy" and got out to try and detain a dangerous person by shooting thim 6 times? Where is the part where he tried to detain him? So because a "big guy" was charging at him that meant to unload your gun on him? Not a SINGLE other option for an unarmed man? A REGULAR man just like you and me. He may have been big but that doesn't mean his only option was to unload on him. Now in NO WAY am I painting MB as being innocent he was very much in the wrong for attacking on officer. Though looking at the pictures that were released the "beating" that he gave the officer didn't seem to justify death. But still should not have attacked the officer AT ALL. But to be gunned down and left in the middle of the street in a pool of blood is UNACCEPTABLE.

The way this ENTIRE case was handled was pathetic and there is NO justification for the loss of this life. You say he didn't want to be a pussy but he says he FEARED FOR HIS LIFE and was already in the car and could have called for backup and waited it out and found the suspect later and apprehended him. Especially since he was already fearing for his life that would have made more sense to me. I do not know all the facts and that is just my opinion and sadly there is only one side to this story seeing as the other person will never get a chance to tell their side of the story.  It is just sad case period and the system here definitely needs to be worked and handled a lot better. The ferguson police department as a whole made the situation even worse than it was because of how poorly it was handled.

To clarify, Wilson was responding to a call from dispatch, following  up on the 911 call  made by the convenience store in response to Brown's petty theft of a handful of cigars and assault of the convenience store clerk, which was recorded on the store's video system not long before the attempted arrest. The response was not a case of mistaken identity, racial profiling or some random interrogation.

Brown responded to the questioning with an expletive directed at Wilson, who then attempted to exit the patrol car, which Brown slammed shut, leading to Brown reaching into the patrol car when he struck Wilson two times, Wilson responded by drawing his weapon, Brown attempted to grab Wilson's firearm which wasn't discharged until the third attempt by Wilson. Brown's blood was on the weapon, corroborating the testimony and there was a medical report confirming Wilson had been struck more than once in the head. 

Wilson did call for back up before the shootings. He was attempting to detain a suspect based upon the call from dispatch for a man matching Brown's description, which was for a reported crime Brown was captured on video committing. 

The only facts, as presented by the jury that aren't clear, would be the testimony given by Wilson, seeing as there were conflicting reports given by Brown's friend present at the incident, and non-related observers. There were conflicting reports given by multiple observers. 

The biggest problems came from the lack of disclosure from the Ferguson PD until much later in the investigation. Wilson didn't have to give official testimony for the case until almost 30 days after the incident as he wasn't immediately charged with a crime. 

The convience store never made a 911 call they already stated that. Heck some amount of time must have passed after robbery seeing as Brown had on sandals during the robbery but boots when he was shot and killed. The Chief of police stated that Wilson did not know anything about the robbery before hand according to officer Wilson himself. But that changed during the trial which is another issue that I have. It was stated that they were walking in the middle of the street and officer Wilson instructed them to get out of the middle of the street. Now what words were actually said no one will ever know for sure. Wilson left the scene of the crime before it was secured due to injuries but the photos don't back up the severity to have left the crime scene like that which was also something that bothered me.

The rest about Brown reaching in the car and being shot...I have no problems with that seems legit without a doubt. I do have an issue with Brow and his friend running away and officer Wilson getting out of the car and only telling them to stop which somehow enraged Brown to not stop running but turn around and rush officer Wilson who had a loaded gun which he had already been shot with  pointed at him. It seems like something is missing in there imo but again because there really is only one side to this story no one will ever know for sure. Again the Ferguson PD handled the situation very poorly and the refusal to let the body be seen or not give any other info for so much time made it much worse. But coming from someone who lives in the area the Ferguson PD has always been pretty looked down on for how they handle most situations.



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The Fury said:
Mr Khan said:

Even when authority has no respect for you?

Respect is to be earned, not given.

They have plenty of respect for you when you do not break the law. 


What makes you think that? There have been MULTIPLE times I have not borken the law but have got pulled over stopped when walking with my friends or brothers and questioned just for the heck of it. I have been talked down to for asking why was I stopped if I have not done anything wrong....what makes you feel that they have plenty of respect for you when you have not borken the law?



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The Fury said:
Mr Khan said:
mtu9356 said:
Moral of the story: RESPECT authority

Even when authority has no respect for you?

Respect is to be earned, not given.

They have plenty of respect for you when you do not break the law. 

Police Officers are legally obligated to search on suspicion not whether solely if they witness a crime.
Each officer's personal discretion is what determines there suspicion. A part of investigation is a lack of respect for privacy for the suspect.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City

and: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/09/19/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-is-all-but-gone-from-new-york.html



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thismeintiel said:

I'm sorry, but these are some of the worst arguments I have heard in my life.  The problem is too many people like judging others after they have the power of hindsight, and many times poor info they choose to believe regardless of what facts come out.  We have people actually suggesting Wilson should have just "taken his beating."  Didn't realize black people had the right to beat up anyone, anytime.  And you can't defend yourself or you are a racist.  Others suggested Wilson should have just let him run away.  Again, are blacks above the law, now?  They can rob a store, assualt a cop and try to go for a cops gun, and the cops should just let them go?  And here you are suggesting the police should now always do police work from their car, just in case a criminal tries to rush them.  Another ridiculous notion.

Here are the facts, backed up by several witnesses, some of who were black.  Mike Brown was a thug.  He robbed a store and assaulted the clerk and an officer (and tried to go for his gun.)  Then, instead of choosing to continue to run away or give himself up, he got pissed that the cop told him to stop.  So, he turned around and charged the cop.  The cop was afraid for his own safety, and fired at Brown.  Brown died because of his own stupid actions.  No sad loss of life.  He chose to live his life this way, so he payed the consequences.  The only ones I feel sad for are the families involved.  And for Wilson, who will be labeled a racist, just for doing his job and for reacting like anyone else would have.

What were the sad arguments? What poor info did I choose to believe over the facts? And nope I don't agree that he should have just taken his beating at all. I feel MB was very much in the wrong for assaulting an officer. Do I feel that meant he deserved to die though? Nope not at all. Who suggested that black people had the right to beat up anyone anytime and that you could not defend yourself or be a racist? Who suggested that blacks are above the law? That seems to be something only you are suggesting for whatever reason. And when did I say that police should always do police work from their car just in case a criminal tries to rush them? Tell me who said any of that other than you?

The "witnesses" mosly all had different stories both blacks and whites so how ANY of them can be considered credible INCLUDING the friend of Brown that was there is beyond me but to each his or her own I guess. He robbed a store agreed as per the video and he assaulted a cop agreed. Now we differ again a man that had already been shot and ws running away got mad because the officer told him to "stop" and because the officer told him to stop it enraged him to the poitn to where he not only stopped running away but turned around and "rushed" the officer who had a gun pointed at him that he had already been shot with? That seems realistic to you? Coming from an officer who stated that he refused to carry pepper spray or a taser for various reasons but chose to  carry extra ammo clips instead? The "truth" may actually never be known because there were only two people that went through the entire ordeal and know for sure Brown and Wilson and one of them is not here to give their side....

Look I am in NO way painting Brown a Saint because he was not and what he did was wrong  but no I do not feel that his actions should have led to death. I feel the officer went to far period. I do not see this as a color thing as you seem to be doing with what you said in your post my good sir. And obviously your last statement is incorrect seeing as not everyone else would have reacted like that. The legal system is broken and needs to be reworked and changes need to be made. I respect authority and should be respect by authority. They should not feel above me and I should not feel above them we are all human and deserve to be treated equally. And with that there really needs to be some changes made in law enforcement to prevent more situations like this REGARDLESS of color. Again I feel it was a sad and unnecessary  loss of life and you don't that's fine.



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TheBlackNaruto said:

What makes you think that? There have been MULTIPLE times I have not borken the law but have got pulled over stopped when walking with my friends or brothers and questioned just for the heck of it. I have been talked down to for asking why was I stopped if I have not done anything wrong....what makes you feel that they have plenty of respect for you when you have not borken the law?

Mr Khan said that respect is earned and it will be by keeping to the law this authority upholds. Just like in school you don't talk back to teachers, you do the homework and you won't get put in detention.

I'm sorry if you got stopped for no reason but maybe it wasn't 'just for the heck of it' for these Officers that stopped you, maybe they are looking for someone just they don't mention who so not to create a worse situation. Be polite, answer their questions. Being annoyed at the situation, answering back, just makes it look like you've got something to hide when you haven't. If you are polite, the people may get to know you, they'll start to respect you and they'll know you don't need to be stopped.

 

Maybe this is an idyllic way of looking at things and I'm naive on the situation having not dealt with it. 



Hmm, pie.

The Fury said:
Mr Khan said:
mtu9356 said:
Moral of the story: RESPECT authority

Even when authority has no respect for you?

Respect is to be earned, not given.

They have plenty of respect for you when you do not break the law. 

Laughably untrue in the case of the Ferguson PD. Did you not pay attention to how those thugs conducted themselves after the shooting?



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