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naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:
Suddenly Nintendo fans forget the Pokemon review and now love IGN.

Ah, how lovely things work.

Quoted for truth.

"Nintendo" is redundant here, hardcore fans of every brand do this.



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*Sound Of Rain said:
Clyde32 said:

Actually, I think the .2 was because of the menu's and other small tiffs. Jose was still wondering if he should dock it for an extra feature. He evidently decided against it. If he did dock it, he would have put it as a minus.

A menu? Either that is a horrible menu or they are just nitpicking. I haven't played the game yet & am not saying it automatically should've been a 10. With that said, by the sound of the review, it is a 10 in this reviewers opinion. They want against it just to do it. 

I used to be that way, now, I feel a game doesn't have to actually be 100% perfect to get a 10.


Jose has his own beliefs on what makes a 10. He starts at 0, and the game works its way to a 10. The 10 being what the game was trying to achieve. That's how he rates a game. By how well they did what they were trying to do. Going by this, it could have been smash tour, meaning it didn't quite turn out how it was intended, or some other form. 

 

In any case, just know, he didn't take away .2, he added 9.8.



Clyde32 said:

Jose has his own beliefs on what makes a 10. He starts at 0, and the game works its way to a 10. The 10 being what the game was trying to achieve. That's how he rates a game. By how well they did what they were trying to do. Going by this, it could have been smash tour, meaning it didn't quite turn out how it was intended, or some other form. 

In any case, just know, he didn't take away .2, he added 9.8.

I don't really care anyway. I'm just on a "Let's hate reviews" kick



sundin13 said:

Why would I complain about the things they get right? I personally have no real qualms with the Pokemon score, but I don't see any logic in discounting everything someone does just because you disagree with a specific thing (or a few specific things)...it isn't a black and white issue (its an ORAS issue...sorry, bad pun). I will complain about the specific instances in which a site produces something that I find to be bullshit, but why would I complain about the things they produce that aren't bullshit? This review is well written and fairly comprehensive, with a score that matches the critiques and the critiques and praise being logical and well elucidated... why should I complain?

I genuinely do not understand what your problem is here...

Very well stated. That's pretty much the same issue I had, only explained much more clearly. There's nothing hypocritical about finding fault with what you believe to be a flawed review, and no fault with a great review. It makes zero sense for me to feel obligated to complain about a review just because I didn't like a completely different review posted on the same site.

Speaking in general of course. Like I said, I have no idea if either game warrants their specific score.



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naruball said:

Not exactly. You can disagree with a review all you want but when you make a general comment about a site for its reviews ("IGN is trash anyways", "you can't spell ignorance without IGN", "I stopped caring about IGN years ago"), then you most certainly can't praise them when it suits you. Well, you can but it's still hypocritical. Of course that is not limited to Ninty fans. I've seen other users being hypocritical about IGN and Gamespot. And to an extent Polygon.

Herein lies the issue. You're basically trying to reconcile different groups of people that are taking fault with first review. Of course, people who claim all reviews by a certain site should be dismissed, only to turn around and cling to another review by the same site, are most certainly being hypocritical. I don't think anyone will disagree with this. 

However, that's really not the issue I'm seeing here. You can't simply call out a broad group as being hypocrites simply for not consistently hating/liking a sites reviews under the assumption that this entire group has indeed complained about all of this site's reviews. People that fall into this category should be called out, but they certainly shouldn't be assumed to be the totality, or even the majority, without solid evidence to back up this assumption.

One major annoyance I have with gaming..well actually any fandom, is this tendency to make broad sweeping generalizations of groups under the assumption that everyone subscribes to one all-encompassing opinion. If an individual contradicts himself, by all means, call him out on it. But to derail a discussion about a game reviewing well because of said generalizations? To me, this really contributes nothing to a healthy discussion.



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Nintendo should have sent IGN a Greninja-less review copy so then it would have gotten a perfect 10.



curl-6 said:
naruball said:
Euphoria14 said:
Suddenly Nintendo fans forget the Pokemon review and now love IGN.

Ah, how lovely things work.

Quoted for truth.

"Nintendo" is redundant here, hardcore fans of every brand do this.

Not exactly. Yes, several people from all fanbases do it but this is a thread about IGN and a Nintendo game. So the Nintendo part is not redundant the same way it will not be if we have a review from Polygon for Blooborne and Sony fans praise Polygon for it (despite their comments about the site as a whole after their The Last of Us review). No matter the score, I know I will still regard their review trash, because that's my view of Polygon and its complete lack of integrity. 



Awesome. IGN's reviews are improving, well except for the too much water thing. Now I wonder what Gamespot will give it...hopefully a 9.



    

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naruball said:
curl-6 said:

"Nintendo" is redundant here, hardcore fans of every brand do this.

Not exactly. Yes, several people from all fanbases do it but this is a thread about IGN and a Nintendo game. So the Nintendo part is not redundant the same way it will not be if we have a review from Polygon for Blooborne and Sony fans praise Polygon for it (despite their comments about the site as a whole after their The Last of Us review). No matter the score, I know I will still regard their review trash, because that's my view of Polygon and its complete lack of integrity. 

But hypocrisy is the religion of fanatics of every flag. I personally think of all reviews are just opinions, and I don't factor them into my purchases. But the practice of hating then accepting a reviewer based on whether they align with one's company of choice or not happens with Sony fans, Xbox fans, and Nintendo fans.



Super_Boom said:
naruball said:

Not exactly. You can disagree with a review all you want but when you make a general comment about a site for its reviews ("IGN is trash anyways", "you can't spell ignorance without IGN", "I stopped caring about IGN years ago"), then you most certainly can't praise them when it suits you. Well, you can but it's still hypocritical. Of course that is not limited to Ninty fans. I've seen other users being hypocritical about IGN and Gamespot. And to an extent Polygon.

Herein lies the issue. You're basically trying to reconcile different groups of people that are taking fault with first review. Of course, people who claim all reviews by a certain site should be dismissed, only to turn around and cling to another review by the same site, are most certainly being hypocritical. I don't think anyone will disagree with this

 

The problem is not that anyone will disagree with this; it's that they won't admit that they're being hypocritical. Name one person who has admitted so, no matter what evidence you show them. The reaction you'll get is either flaming, telling you that you're derailing the thread, telling you that they won't bother reading your reply to them and to never quote them again, that they're done with this, or anything in order to deflect the question you are asking them.

I fail to see how that leads to a healthy discussion, as you say. All you end up doing is wasting yoru time because people simply refuse to admit that they are wrong.