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mZuzek said:
Soundwave said:
Nintendo will phase down support after 2015 IMO.

Lets actually look at what they did with the GameCube:

After 2004, the only major EAD/Retro/NST projects the GameCube got were Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, a bongo platformer.

Sure the GCN got a few games from Nintendo from 2005-06, but they were all farmed out, B-tier stuff like Geist and Mario Party games from Hudson.

They clearly ditched that platform to go work on the DS/Wii. And the GameCube was selling considerably better than the Wii U is.

Yeah, GameCube only got B-tier games after 2004. Twilight Princess, for example.


Which they purposely delayed for the Wii and to add insult to injury, people who waited for the game for years had to wait until after the Wii version released to get to play it. 

Not the best example. If Nintendo did the same thing with the next Zelda game and moved it to the Fusion platform, and then delayed it so Wii U owners got to play it last, somehow I doubt Wii U owners would be happy about that. 

Point stands. After 2004 they decided to ditch the GameCube for the Wii/DS. They will probably do the same thing to the Wii U IMO. After 2015 don't expect a ton. 



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se7en7thre3 said:
JEMC said:
se7en7thre3 said:
I'll say 2 more years at least.

I think Ninty's goal is to make a Wii U that is mobile (aka Fusion) but will be rebranded and hh/console sold separately (possible combo deal). For next gen Nintendo has to make the hardware compelling, and that is the lesson Ninty must take from this current gen, its not ALL about great games (which Wii U has in abundance).

Just for curiosity but, what do you mean with "compelling hardware"?


Ninty can use a cheatcode (raw power...look at PS4 lets be real) or the innovation route like Wii.  The Wii U gamepad was neither, in fact, the gamepad would have been the perfect "icing" for a system like XB1 or PS4 to separate itself from the competition.  The gamepad is a hardcore device but since there is not enough power, the hardcore (you know who i mean) ignore the system.  Its like ninty trying to sell pizza (gamepad) but without cheese or toppings (power).

But there is a problem, one that Nintendo themselves created, of perception: Nintendo makes toys.

I know that's not true, I do know, but with their attitude and marketing towards everybody but specially towards the younger audience, they have put themselves in a situation where many parents would buy a Nintendo console for their younger kids because they see them as a harmless and entertaining toy, unlike Sony and Microsoft that don't hesitate to show that their offerings are the ultimate "gadget".

And here lies Nintendo's other problem: the price of its machines. Remember how badly did the 3DS sold at 250 USD/EUR? And how badly the WiiU sold at 300-350 USD/EUR? It wasn't only because of lack of games, but also because consumers saw them as expensive toys. And that means that even if Nintendo had launched a WiiU with the power of a PS4 and with the same price, sales would have been bad, not as bad, but bad nonetheless, because consumers don't associate Nintendo with expensive.



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mZuzek said:
se7en7thre3 said:

Ninty can use a cheatcode (raw power...look at PS4 lets be real) or the innovation route like Wii.  The Wii U gamepad was neither, in fact, the gamepad would have been the perfect "icing" for a system like XB1 or PS4 to separate itself from the competition.  The gamepad is a hardcore device but since there is not enough power, the hardcore (you know who i mean) ignore the system.  Its like ninty trying to sell pizza (gamepad) but without cheese or toppings (power).

If "raw power" was a cheatcode then Nintendo 64, GameCube and PS3 would have dominated their respective generations.
Raw power is NOT the reason the PS4 is doing as well as it is.

Edit: Also, please explain to me how selling pizza is innovation.


Lets not pretend the n64 didn't have its own issues.  Gaming on a disc was the big thing, and Ninty sticking with cartridges made them suffer both from dev. and consumer standpoint.  Also arriving 1 year after OG PS didn't help.



mZuzek said:
Soundwave said:

Which they purposely delayed for the Wii and to add insult to injury, people who waited for the game for years had to wait until after the Wii version released to get to play it. 

Not the best example. If Nintendo did the same thing with the next Zelda game and moved it to the Fusion platform, and then delayed it so Wii U owners got to play it last, somehow I doubt Wii U owners would be happy about that. 

Point stands. After 2004 they decided to ditch the GameCube for the Wii/DS. They will probably do the same thing to the Wii U IMO. After 2015 don't expect a ton. 

Of course we wouldn't be happy, the Wii U still doesn't have a Zelda. In the GameCube era, getting 2 Zeldas on one console used to be a privilege, not a norm. I'm sure no one liked the delay, but it dramatically helped sales and the GCN owners still got to play the best version in the end. I'm not expecting a lot of software after 2015, but I think there's still considerably more to come the year after.

N64 had 2 Zelda games, better and faster.

EDIT: NES also had 2.



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JEMC said:
se7en7thre3 said:
JEMC said:
se7en7thre3 said:
I'll say 2 more years at least.

I think Ninty's goal is to make a Wii U that is mobile (aka Fusion) but will be rebranded and hh/console sold separately (possible combo deal). For next gen Nintendo has to make the hardware compelling, and that is the lesson Ninty must take from this current gen, its not ALL about great games (which Wii U has in abundance).

Just for curiosity but, what do you mean with "compelling hardware"?


Ninty can use a cheatcode (raw power...look at PS4 lets be real) or the innovation route like Wii.  The Wii U gamepad was neither, in fact, the gamepad would have been the perfect "icing" for a system like XB1 or PS4 to separate itself from the competition.  The gamepad is a hardcore device but since there is not enough power, the hardcore (you know who i mean) ignore the system.  Its like ninty trying to sell pizza (gamepad) but without cheese or toppings (power).

But there is a problem, one that Nintendo themselves created, of perception: Nintendo makes toys.

I know that's not true, I do know, but with their attitude and marketing towards everybody but specially towards the younger audience, they have put themselves in a situation where many parents would buy a Nintendo console for their younger kids because they see them as a harmless and entertaining toy, unlike Sony and Microsoft that don't hesitate to show that their offerings are the ultimate "gadget".

And here lies Nintendo's other problem: the price of its machines. Remember how badly did the 3DS sold at 250 USD/EUR? And how badly the WiiU sold at 300-350 USD/EUR? It wasn't only because of lack of games, but also because consumers saw them as expensive toys. And that means that even if Nintendo had launched a WiiU with the power of a PS4 and with the same price, sales would have been bad, not as bad, but bad nonetheless, because consumers don't associate Nintendo with expensive.


If you come outside dressed like a bum, get ready to be judged on how you present yourself.

There were plenty of PS360 gamers ready to upgrade to the next gen.  Not every 160 mil+ that own PS360 gamers are diehard brand loyalists.  i.e. "If you build it, they will come".  Problem is, Ninty is not even trying to compete for that market, which is a crying shame since it is their main business.  They should have learned from Microsoft, how that 1 year headstart allowed them to steal so many PS2 gamers, and this is despite the RROD pr disaster.  So people looked at the console and games, didn't notice a major upgrade and said "i'll wait (for XB1/PS4).



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4 years.



se7en7thre3 said:
JEMC said:
padib said:

I think he means capable of competing with the graphics of rival consoles.

If that's the case, I'm affraid he'll be disappointed. Sony and Microsoft have no problem selling their machines at a loss, hoping for royalties and PS+/Live to get some of that money back, but if WiiU has teached something to Nintendo is that if they sell its machines at a loss, they can suffer greatly.

It's because of that that I can't see Nintendo competing in terms of equals to neither Sony nor Microsoft, at least if we're talking about the next offerings from all 3, if you/he means the next Nintendo console vs PS4/X1 then that is at least more feasible.

Ninty has been behind in certain areas but they are starting to catch up.  I predict Nintendo also will have subscription service, and will do away with the "virtual console".  Whether most of the Ninty catalog will be available or their slowly leaked method is the main question for me. Not that it has to do with selling HW at a loss, its just smarter business for Ninty to make more money.  This is esp. my prediction if they go the fusion route, where they make the home console an optional purchase.  

As far as being disappointed, maybe from a fanboy perspective, but I've been "forced" to buy PS and XB the last 2 gens to get my full gaming experience, so even if my heart lies with Ninty I won't short myself of AAA offerings on consoles.  But yes I do prefer Ninty to back to GC and prior where they always compete to be the best all around.  

For what I think Nintendo will do (not nec. what I want), I think they will go weaker than XB1/PS4 b/c the main console will be their HH, which will be a step up from Vita.  Even combining tech (if possible0 with the home console for their fusion, I still think will come up shy in raw power to PS4Xb1.

Man, you type a lot faster than I do!

Going with a susbcription model sounds like something that would go against Nintendo's past policy with its games, and not very practical with the Virtual console with the 3rd party games available. But time will tell.

And for being disappointed, I was merely talking about the hardware, not the games. Let's be honest here, even if Nintendo had a console with twice the specs and was the market leader, many 3rd party games would skip the console. And the reason is that the majority of the owners of Nintendo consoles don't buy those kind of games, even when launched simultaneously and with the ports being very well made. That's the biggest handicap for Nintendo and 3rd parties.

It's a problem of today's economy: you not only have to earn money from your business (or game in this case), but your profits have to be at least X% to be "worth" the effort/resources. And with Nintendo consoles, 3rd parties usually see high single digit or low double digit percentages, which grant them the "not worth it" stamp. Unfortunately.



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At LEAST FOUR MORE YEARS. Yeah!!

Nintendo just has begun to show us what is possible on the Wii U.

The Wii U will become the preferred platform for indies when these are "going 3D" as they don't have to compete against AAA 3D graphics. This is happening within the next 2-3 years.

And as we are speaking about Nintendo - they have always the ability to pull of some magic and get the masses of Wii owners to buy a Wii U...



I think Nintendo will be porting a lot of Wii U games to their next system. Just like how a lot of GameCube games were ported to the Wii. The result was a really good launch year for the Wii. It also lead to quicker development of Mario Kart, Smash Bros and even Metroid.

So 2016 at the earliest, and 2017 at the latest with a Zelda U port, 2D Mario, and a new multiplayer IP at launch. Metroid, Fire Emblem, Galaxy 3, Paper Mario, Advance War sequel, and a Mario sport game will release before its 2nd holiday sale. Smash Bros and Mario Kart will continue to release before the 3rd holiday.

I think we will see Luigi Mansion 3, Pikmin 4, and other A-AA games for Wii U's 2016 and the Wii U version of Zelda U after Nintendo 7's version launches. I'm hoping for a multiplayer 2D zelda for holiday 2015 as well.

edit: On second thought, we can see Metroid, Fire Emblem, Paper Mario, 3D Mario, and a Mario Sport game in 2016 as well. But these sequels on the Nintendo 7 will have modest graphic updates since they'll probably be out in 2018. For example Metroid Prime 2 --> 3, Paper Mario TTYD --> Super Paper Mario, Mario Strikers --> Strikers charged, and Fire Emblem GC -- Fire Emblem Wii. So 2017 can still work. I guess Zelda U would come out 2016 and the remastered version or HD Twilight Princess will launch in 2017.



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