At this point we have to just wait for official sell-through to customer numbers from Microsoft and Sony. We're definitely going to get some from Sony, and Microsoft are definitely going to want to talk about their holiday season, they can't keep putting off sell-through numbers as we haven't heard anything for almost a year.

I don't know why ioi doesn't come into this thread (and the weekly chart thread) and explain why he has adjusted numbers when we have official shipped information showing the opposite.

This is like PS3 & 360 where PS3 kept selling more weekly yet never seemed to grow it's lead in LTD sales.

Whenever X1 sells 10M I wouldn't doubt the site still showing 8.5M same for ps4 20M showing 18M.

plus microsoft announced X1 shipped 10 million units, so the gap is only 2 million worldwide now.

I don't think XB1 is massively undetracked, I know MS's statement is misleading and it's shipped and there is a lot of stock on shelves atm.

Still think by the end of this (MCC) week 15th Nov, sales will be around 7.4m

6.1m end of September

500k in October,

450k 8th, 350k 15th, = 7.4m LTD.

We'll be undertracked about 400k IMO.

Both the Ps4 and XB1 might have been overtracked some places around the world, where VGchartz have gotten a confirmation. it might have been undertracked other places, doesn't mean it hasn't been overtracked other places. It's just how it is.

It's ioi, the closet Nintendo fanboy.

With Xbox now available in markets harder to track, it's only gonna get worse :/ sadly

lol pretty much this