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thranx said:
tak13 said:
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Mr Khan said:

C'mon, Republicans got 3/5ths of the white vote, more if you look further up the age brackets, and the three drums that they really focused on where about scary foreigners and immigrants. Poorer whites, who would have economic reason to vote democrat, tend even further towards Republicans.

So much of the Republican party's strength these days is race-based, just that no-one (even most of the folks voting with such motivations) wants to admit it because no one likes to think they're racist, for the most part.

Well SC has a black senator so they arent totally racist


i was going to say this!

so does texas

No its doesn't neither Ted Cruz or John Cornyn is black they are both as white as you can get even though Cruz is partially latino.



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Marijuana now legel in Oregon, Alaska and D.C. Welcome to the party guys!



RustyShakleford said:
If not racist, the tea party is at least hypocritical. We have had huge deficits during the Bush years, but they didn't form until Obama became president. It was either because he was black or because he was a democrat.

Actually the original Tea Party was a response to Bush (before Obama.) 

The origins of the current Tea Party movement can be traced back to circa 2007. The movement's beginnings were kick-started by Republican Congressman Dr. Ron Paul in 2007. His GOP presidential campaign received a 24 hour, record breaking, money bomb on December 16, 2007; which is the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. This event directly contributed to creating a libertarian revival and divide in the Republican Party. Ron Paul continues to be a prominent force in the Tea Party movement, such as endorsing Tea party candidates, and also giving talks and speeches alongside prominent Tea party activist, and 2008 Vice Presidential candidate, Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin has at times disagreed with Paul on foreign policy, but eventually Sarah Palin changed her views on foreign policy and interventionism because of Ron Paul's inspiration and stance on limited government. In 2012 she defended him against critics by saying, "[Paul's] the only one doing something about reining in government growth." Ron Paul had a direct affect on changing other prominent Republican's beliefs on the Federal Reserve. Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and many others changed their views about the Federal Reserve after hearing Paul's opinions on the matter.

and it only strengthened with the bailouts by Obama AND Bush

According to pollster Scott Rasmussen, the bailouts of banks by the Bush and Obama administrations triggered the Tea Party's rise. The interviewer added that the movement's anger centers on two issues, quoting Rasmussen as saying, "They think federal spending, deficits and taxes are too high, and they think no one in Washington is listening to them, and that latter point is really, really important."

Today the original Tea Party is now called the Liberty Movement, and the dilluted ideas of this movement are found in the macro-group of conservatives who now call themselves Tea Party, but it is diverse that you can't characterize it. Basically today's Tea Party consists of anyone who isn't a moderate (establishment) Republican. 



On the racism charge, it looks like a greater number of Hispanics voted Republican this year than in 2012. Despite GOP policies on immigration and voter ID being pushed hard by the media this year.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/07/hispanic-voters-in-the-2014-election/ - 30% Latinos voted GOP in 2012, 38% in 2014 (the largest swing on a racial basis, but Republicans increased their share of both the black and white votes, too).

In Texas, some congressional candidates saw Hispanic support up in the 40% range, and Greg Abbott received 44% of Hispanic vote (50% male).

Across all races, other trends also stick. So men and older are more likely to vote Republican than women and younger, no matter what the race.



chocoloco said:
Marijuana now legel in Oregon, Alaska and D.C. Welcome to the party guys!

Let's see with DC, Congress held back medical marjuana in the District for years after voters approved it.



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SamuelRSmith said:
chocoloco said:
Marijuana now legel in Oregon, Alaska and D.C. Welcome to the party guys!

Let's see with DC, Congress held back medical marjuana in the District for years after voters approved it.

Yep, but, D.C. does not allow a way to legally buy recreational marijuana like Colorado, Washington and soon to be Oregon and Alaska. In other words,it can be said more symbolic of what is to come when D.C. voted to not just decriminalize it, but to in fact fully legalize it.



SamuelRSmith said:
On the racism charge, it looks like a greater number of Hispanics voted Republican this year than in 2012. Despite GOP policies on immigration and voter ID being pushed hard by the media this year.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2014/11/07/hispanic-voters-in-the-2014-election/ - 30% Latinos voted GOP in 2012, 38% in 2014 (the largest swing on a racial basis, but Republicans increased their share of both the black and white votes, too).

In Texas, some congressional candidates saw Hispanic support up in the 40% range, and Greg Abbott received 44% of Hispanic vote (50% male).

Across all races, other trends also stick. So men and older are more likely to vote Republican than women and younger, no matter what the race.

Compare the two midterms, instead. http://www.nationaljournal.com/political-connections/shellacking-the-sequel-20141107

Hispanic turnout for Republicans is about the same to 2010, decreased for 12, then increased again.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Torillian said:

But insurance isn't for when life is going peachy and you just need to get contacts, it's for when shit hits the fan and you couldn't possibly afford the care that's necessary to live a comfortable life.  Believe me, if you ever get diagnosed with anything like that you'll be glad that insurance companies aren't totally up to the free market or they'd drop you like a bad habbit the second they could.  And for that system to work those that are healthy have to pay in as well as those of us that are less so.  

If insurance companies started dropping people in a free-market nobody would buy their insurance, because they would be paying for nothing. There is no trust in that relationship, and in all transactions there needs to be trust (in a free-market) to cement whether or not you wish to subscribe to a service. But in a free-market, costs would be so low you wouldn't even need "insurance" companies, anyway. It's interesting that you mentioned contacts, though. Eyecare is the freest market in the health-care industry and it has the least influence by insurance companies. Because of high competition in the eyecare industry we see treatments like lasik surgery decrease by about 50% (in cost) within 3-5 years. We see eye doctors charging within a penny of walmart for glasses and contacts and they wouldn't dare charge anymore, because they take prices and don't make them. It is only in highly regulated markets that the costs go up so high and it is only then that the need for insurance arises. Afterwards it is just a cycle. Because the insurance company is a third-party they have no incentive to negotiate with the doctor/hospital on prices, and consequently the doctor/hospital inflate prices as high as they can. This is not the behavior of a competitive market. In a competive market all of these parties would be price-takers not price-makers. And how do these doctors, insurance companies, etc, etc get this non-competitive market? Through regulation. That is why free-markets are most certainly the answer to the health-care problem. That is also why many health-insurance companies and hospitals lobbied for the Affordable Care Act (the uproar against it was by businesses not in these industries.)

Anyway, it isn't a concern to me. Eventually the market equilibrium will be met. Whether it happens when the government collapses on itself after it can't keep up with its finances, when the democratic process relinquishes its grip on the spontaneously organized free-market, or through counter-economics is the question to be asked. 



Torillian said:

But insurance isn't for when life is going peachy and you just need to get contacts, it's for when shit hits the fan and you couldn't possibly afford the care that's necessary to live a comfortable life.  Believe me, if you ever get diagnosed with anything like that you'll be glad that insurance companies aren't totally up to the free market or they'd drop you like a bad habbit the second they could.  And for that system to work those that are healthy have to pay in as well as those of us that are less so.  


Sorry, but the "health insurance" model has absolutely nothing to do with the free market. It's the result of decades of market manipulation by Government and lobbyists, read: corruption, facism.

Case in point: "insurance isn't for when life is peachy and you just need X [small service], it's for catatrophies only" (paraphrased). That's exactly what insurance is for, but it's impossible to buy an insurance product like that. Over the years, various industries and lobbyist groups have put in place mandates that health insurance policies MUST cover their products. Depending on the state, your health insurance might have all sorts of mandates for massage therapy, homeostatic, acupuncture, drug rehabilitation, gender specific coverage (no matter what gender you are). Some states have many as over 70 of these mandates, and then you now have a bunch of Federal ones on top of that.

So you have a choice: buy insurance with 70+ mandates, or buy no insurance at all (well, that choice is now gone), because health insurance companies are NOT ALLOWED to sell you insurance without the mandates, whether you want or need them.

It's like selling a game console, but mandating that you MUST include 70 games with it. That's going to raise the price by a hell of a lot. And, also, you can't let the consumer /choose/ that 70, it has to be 70 specific games, whether the consumer wants Ultimate Carp Fishing or not.

And that's the only only problem with US healthcare. You know that in some states, if somebody wants to build a new hospital, they must first get permission from a board composed of people from other hospitals? How's that for limiting competition. I want to build a new game store, but first I need permission fro Gamestop, Best Buy, Wal Mart, and anybody else who might already sell games? Fat chance of that happening. And it's not just building not hospitals... can also be expanding old hospitals, or just generally improving a hospital.

There are many more examples of problems that make the US healthcare system just rotten to the core, and they have nothing to do with the free market.



Mr Khan said:

Compare the two midterms, instead. http://www.nationaljournal.com/political-connections/shellacking-the-sequel-20141107

Hispanic turnout for Republicans is about the same to 2010, decreased for 12, then increased again.


Yeah, that would make sense in general, although this year there was a huge number of "progressive" issues on the ballot that should have turned out better demographics for the Democrats. Marijuana, soda bans, GMO bans, gun restrictions, minimum wage hikes, driving licenses for non-legal immigrants.

Anyways, this episode is over now, I guess the next big watch to tune into will probably be over amnesty. Personally, I'm all for it. So long as they keep that border nice and open for me one day.