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When Obama was elected for a second term I was pretty dissapointed. But I did see the silver lining. I hoped that after 8 years of his "rule" people would be awakened and see what the dems are all about. Here we are 6 years in, and the people have lost more faith in the dems than I could have imagined. Just as bush blew it for over spending over reaching repubs, Obama has done it to the Dems. So will americans start going back to the center, and not to the xtreme left and right? What are your thoughts on the electon results?



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Seeing Sandra Fluke, Charlie Crist, and Wendy Davis lose and Harry Reid be relegated to irrelevance all in one night was better than the Fappening.



that one really hurt my balls as a Wisconsin state employee. Really thought we'd get rid of Walker finally. The strange part is when it came to policy questions most voters agreed with my own viewpoints, voting for increased minimum wage, a constitutional amendment to counter citizens united, and to take federal money for programs in the future when possible. But then we vote in a governor diametrically opposed to any and all of those. Oh well.



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At least you have different political parties in America.

In Australia and the UK, it's basically the social democrats or the social democrats and if they don't take your fancy you can vote for the other social democrats.



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he did his Job by being the first black president. nothing more, nothing less.
now lets go on



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SlayerRondo said:
Things would be better if they allowed people to vote based on their tax paid. One vote per dollar and no government employee's are allowed to vote since they don't really pay taxes.


i dont think i would agree with that. one vote per citizen is just fine.



SlayerRondo said:

At least you have different political parties in America.

In Australia and the UK, it's basically the social democrats or the social democrats and if they don't take your fancy you can vote for the other social democrats.


for awhile that is how it was with repubs and dems. bush caused the repubs to get somewhat back to their roots of small government. More importanlty i think the tea party has had an overall positive effect on the repubs too. My hope though is that the tea party becomes its own party, and that the republicans stop being a party altoghter. than we can have a small government party and the dems. i know who i would vote for



thranx said:

When Obama was elected for a second term I was pretty dissapointed. But I did see the silver lining. I hoped that after 8 years of his "rule" people would be awakened and see what the dems are all about. Here we are 6 years in, and the people have lost more faith in the dems than I could have imagined. Just as bush blew it for over spending over reaching repubs, Obama has done it to the Dems. So will americans start going back to the center, and not to the xtreme left and right? What are your thoughts on the electon results?

As an Australian, I'd like to say that, if you think Obama is "extreme left", then you are completely and utterly wrong. By the standards of most of the world, Obama is a right-winger. He's closer to centre than the Republicans by a fair margin... but the Republicans have moved so far to the right that I'm pretty sure that, if they were in Smash Bros, they'd have already been KOed. There are few Democrats who could legitimately even call themselves left-wing (with Elizabeth Warren being the only one I know off the top of my head).

What's more, the election result is pretty obviously an example of republicans being lying manipulators and democrats being too spineless to stand up to the republicans. Even from Australia, it's obvious that Democrats have spent their whole time running away from what should be a strong platform - lower deficit, lower jobless rate, stronger economy, better healthcare coverage at a lower cost (both to the individual and to the government), etc. And all of that with a hostile House that refused to compromise on anything.

Rather than actually emphasising these points to the electorate, the Democrats let the Republicans define the terms of the election, and ran away from Obama's record. And they should have been emphasising that, if voters get out there and support them, they can achieve even better things if given the chance. Instead, all of the talk was about how they needed to minimise their losses.

In short, the Democrats lost the moment that they decided that it was a matter of trying to "hold onto the senate" rather than going full-force towards reclaiming the house.

The Labor party here in Australia did a similar thing - instead of talking up their achievements at the last election, and emphasising a bold vision for the country, they instead let the Liberal party (the Liberals are a conservative party) define the terms of the election, and seemed to keep trying to reduce the gap between the two parties, with things like anti-asylum attitudes. They lost, massively, as a result.



thranx said:
SlayerRondo said:
Things would be better if they allowed people to vote based on their tax paid. One vote per dollar and no government employee's are allowed to vote since they don't really pay taxes.


i dont think i would agree with that. one vote per citizen is just fine.

To be honest I'm leaning towards going back to the monarchy.

At least with a monarchy they were concerned about the future of the nation for the sake of their children.

Politicians can easily just blame the other party for almost anything that goes wrong since their always gaining and losing power on a regular basis.

Their must be some Hapsburg somewhere we can get for the job.



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Where you either win

or you DIE

thranx said:
SlayerRondo said:

At least you have different political parties in America.

In Australia and the UK, it's basically the social democrats or the social democrats and if they don't take your fancy you can vote for the other social democrats.


for awhile that is how it was with repubs and dems. bush caused the repubs to get somewhat back to their roots of small government. More importanlty i think the tea party has had an overall positive effect on the repubs too. My hope though is that the tea party becomes its own party, and that the republicans stop being a party altoghter. than we can have a small government party and the dems. i know who i would vote for

I am with you on that front.

It always struck me that when the tea party struck they focused on the 1% of racist and extremist in the media.

But when occupy wall street occured, despite having an absurd number of condlicting ideologies between those attending they received very little criticizm.

What I want out of a political party is both social and economic freedom.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE