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Panama said:
Why the sudden PS4 spike? Also good to see Bayonetta 2 got some love in the West.

It's not a spike, it's a gradual rise in sales as we near Christmas.



 

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Mummelmann said:
small44 said:
Mummelmann said:
 


There's a reason I have always resented sales as a metric for quality, you'd be amazed at how many subscribe to that idea.

There are many games of high quality that sold very poorly, like Beyond Good & Evil, GTA Chinatown Wars on DS (sold very poorly compared to the mainline games on home consoles, especially considering the massive installed base), Psychonauts sold practically nothing, Grim Fandango, Okami, for a few examples. I think, in many cases, the low sales can attributed to the environment they release in, perhaps they are of a unique flavour in visuals and gameplay that get overshadowed by simpler and more mainstream alternatives in the genre on a given platform or perhaps (as in the Wii U's case, in my opinion) the title is presented in a platform environment that has little else bearing any resemblance to the title and few other titles that are likely to appeal to the same customer, greatly reducing the purchasing incentive for the hardware itself.

I do think that Bayo 2 would have performed better on PS, for instance, given that this is a platform that is more likely to appeal to what I imagine is the core audience of such a title but I'm not so sure about W101; it is a quirky title that fits the Wii U's image better than Xbox or PS, in my opinion, and I believe that this odd but fantastic little title was destined for obscurity simply due the nature of the product itself and its presentation. Lots of great music and good quality movies get ignored all the time. Quality =/= appeal, as it stands in today's consumer minds and the modern entertainment arena.

Look at the PSP and DS' top 20 bestsellers; it illustrates perfectly the point I'm making on appealing to the core audience of any given platform. For instance; GTA: Chinatown wars (as mentioned above) is at spot #100 on the DS (and the only GTA released there at that, leaving it entirely without competition) list while spots 1 and 3 on the PSP lists are GTA titles (the two of them also likely stole most of the customers away from Chinatown Wars on the PSP since they were more traditional in their gameplay and followed a more similar narrative as well, which ties into my point of games being outshone by more mainstream alternatives in the same genre, or same franchise even, as is the case here).

In short; yes, I do believe that being on the Wii U will ultimately cause lifetime sales to be lower than they could have been on a platform with a different core customer but I also think that this title is quirky and unique enough in certain aspects to be outdone by other, more mainstream alternatives on said platforms (basically, I'm saying that Bayo 2 was likely never destined for epic sales regardless due to the nature of the product). Like I mentioned; quality =/= appeal.

In gta chinatown situation is that people don't like something different they want traditionnal gta games


"The two of them also likely stole most of the customers away from Chinatown Wars on the PSP since they were more traditional in their gameplay and followed a more similar narrative as well, which ties into my point of games being outshone by more mainstream alternatives in the same genre, or same franchise even, as is the case here"

Indeed.

Look at the DS top 20 and the PSP top 20 and tell me what you see though, you'll see two entirely different environments and a lot of the explanation for why the 3DS is so heavily down in the face of mobile gaming (the Vita is heavily down as well, but that has more to do with trying to become a smart device that competes very directly with phones and tablets on breadth of functionality rather than having taken over for a platform with lots of popular software that is easily emulated and/or replaced by mobile).

God of war raiden sold less then traditionnal metal gear solid,people hated silent hill book of memory because it's diffrent,people just don't want something different.

When i look to ds top selling games i see Nintendo first party games and casual games the reason why 3ds is heavly down its because those casuals  are happy with their ds so they don't need a 3ds or they go to smartphones in psp situation the top selling games are consoles quality games especially from 3rd party vita lack a lot of those games



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Hiku said:
Nate4Drake said:
alabtrosMyster said:

PS4 is selling more than all other home consoles together (no hand helds, including PS3 for kicks!)

Yep, just noticed :  PS4 roughly sold 15k units more than XBone+WiiU+PS3+360+Wii !

Also noticed that PS4 sales in Europe are about the same as Xbox One's sales Worldwide. Just 3k short.
Not sure if that's a common thing every week, but it's interesting to see how important Europe is for Sony.


Before October or September (not sure) it was common to have either USA or Europe (or both) numbers above X1 WW. Not that much common anymore for most of October and certainly won't be for some time in November.



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CGI-Quality said:

Either new numbers are inbound, or adjustments were just made.

It's the new week, you can find the numbers in the Hardware by Date tool.



CGI-Quality said:

Either new numbers are inbound, or adjustments were just made.

They're not adjustements:

PS4: 261k

XB1: 146k

So, PS4 now on 13m



 

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