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alrightiwill said:
I don't know much about American politics but from what I gather from the OP, it seems OP would rather have no government at all?

Also, it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind?

"it seems OP would rather have no government at all" : Anarchy leading to despotism as history has shown. Oh god!

"it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind": And imagine the world without Europe now. So minus it. Then imagine an evil europe with the same GDP as the US, approximately the same population led by pure hate and a population to scared to step out of line. So plus that to the world. Now imagine if the Nazi's had been given time to create that Europe. They would have been rested, well prepared and have millions of new inlistees. A rested Nazi Europe (if that had happened) and The US, at some point would have went at it, and the world would have been completely destroyed.

 

The world will never be at peace. People can't be happy and there will always be a divide after a calm period. Everything is fine right now no matter what the media would have us believe. Probably the best point in human history.



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Actually when you get down to it, Lincoln creating a supreme centralized US government and destroying states rights led to the kind of power that became involved in WW1, when we entered very late to push a stalemate into the Allied victory over Germany.

What did that lead to? The treaty of Versailles, and the growth of the Nazi party. Without the US help, a more balanced Armistice would have been created, and conditions would have never been possible for the Nazis to rise to power.

That doesn't mean that something else horrible wouldn't have occurred, but the Nazis were only given fuel by the economic collapse and hyperinflation that resulted from the ridiculous reparations for WW1 (and let's face it, there were no 'good guys' in WW1, it was just a clash of greed between empires).



cfin2987@gmail.com said:
alrightiwill said:
I don't know much about American politics but from what I gather from the OP, it seems OP would rather have no government at all?

Also, it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind?

"it seems OP would rather have no government at all" : Anarchy leading to despotism as history has shown. Oh god!

"it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind": And imagine the world without Europe now. So minus it. Then imagine an evil europe with the same GDP as the US, approximately the same population led by pure hate and a population to scared to step out of line. So plus that to the world. Now imagine if the Nazi's had been given time to create that Europe. They would have been rested, well prepared and have millions of new inlistees. A rested Nazi Europe (if that had happened) and The US, at some point would have went at it, and the world would have been completely destroyed.

 

The world will never be at peace. People can't be happy and there will always be a divide after a calm period. Everything is fine right now no matter what the media would have us believe. Probably the best point in human history.


Exactly. There will always be some hierarchy of haves and have nots. I get that OP might want to live in a live-and-let-live world but that's just ignoring human nature. Some governance will occur eventually, by force or by free will.

You make a great point with Europe and you need only look at China to imagine what things could have been like. China, under the rule of a practical dictarship and strong leadership have transformed their country, growing leaps and bounds. What would Europe have been like if there was 60 years of single leadership and unity in the same way.

Agreed, we are at the best point in human history.



Arkaign said:
Actually when you get down to it, Lincoln creating a supreme centralized US government and destroying states rights led to the kind of power that became involved in WW1, when we entered very late to push a stalemate into the Allied victory over Germany.

What did that lead to? The treaty of Versailles, and the growth of the Nazi party. Without the US help, a more balanced Armistice would have been created, and conditions would have never been possible for the Nazis to rise to power.

That doesn't mean that something else horrible wouldn't have occurred, but the Nazis were only given fuel by the economic collapse and hyperinflation that resulted from the ridiculous reparations for WW1 (and let's face it, there were no 'good guys' in WW1, it was just a clash of greed between empires).


The great depression was probably a bigger factor in total and the treaty was just used as rheotoric.



Look at GB and France compared to Germany during the Depression however. When you compare the 1920s and 1930s, there is a massive disparity between these countries.



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alrightiwill said:
cfin2987@gmail.com said:
alrightiwill said:
I don't know much about American politics but from what I gather from the OP, it seems OP would rather have no government at all?

Also, it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind?

"it seems OP would rather have no government at all" : Anarchy leading to despotism as history has shown. Oh god!

"it seems like entering WW2 was a bad move by Roosevelt for America in OPs mind": And imagine the world without Europe now. So minus it. Then imagine an evil europe with the same GDP as the US, approximately the same population led by pure hate and a population to scared to step out of line. So plus that to the world. Now imagine if the Nazi's had been given time to create that Europe. They would have been rested, well prepared and have millions of new inlistees. A rested Nazi Europe (if that had happened) and The US, at some point would have went at it, and the world would have been completely destroyed.

 

The world will never be at peace. People can't be happy and there will always be a divide after a calm period. Everything is fine right now no matter what the media would have us believe. Probably the best point in human history.


Exactly. There will always be some hierarchy of haves and have nots. I get that OP might want to live in a live-and-let-live world but that's just ignoring human nature. Some governance will occur eventually, by force or by free will.

You make a great point with Europe and you need only look at China to imagine what things could have been like. China, under the rule of a practical dictarship and strong leadership have transformed their country, growing leaps and bounds. What would Europe have been like if there was 60 years of single leadership and unity in the same way.

Agreed, we are at the best point in human history.


And actually, the western European countries combined have an army the size of the US and a GDP approximately the same currently. To me, all the US is, is the europe that never was. 50 states united. Between the two powers, the world is currently doing quite well.



You are clearly a Libertarian by your list of Presidents here and comments.  

Hating Lincoln is always a dead giva away.  And you are wrong.  Lincoln was indeed a great president, if not the greatest.  His use of power was reasonble during a civil while he eventually held the union together and abolished slavery.



Not really sure how accurate your facts since some the stuff I've seen contradicts them, and some the things they did they were kinda forced into.
Don't really hate any presidents, most them are just hated because of one thing they did or because media exagerattes what they do.
Richard Nixon actually did a decent job as president, passed Civil rights laws, helped those in poorer conditions, really the only thing he messed up on was the Watergate scandal, and honestly other presidents do it to they just don't get caught.
Obama has cut the U.S deficit in half since coming into office, the Free Healthcare Plan or "Obamacare" as media likes to call has really been helping out my family.
President Hoover really didn't have anything to do with the depression, he kinda just took charge right when the depression hit and took the blame for it.
Really the only President I really don't like is Reagon and his Reagonomics. It just didn't work and still doesn't work.



RenCutypoison said:
Probably Truman as he ended up being one of the biggest war criminal of history.

But of course as far as internal US politics are concerned I can't tell which ones were the worst.


Is this because of the atom bombs?. Someone had to use them first, you know?. If he didn't use them the soviets would've used them. Also, he rejected the many proposals by his generals to use atom bombs in the Korean war.