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Zekkyou said:

So you're okay with them offering the base game cheaper, but not with them offering the whole package cheaper than the individual parts? Seems somewhat contradictory.

The GOTY is intended purely for those who haven't played the game before. This isn't like TLOU:R, where there is some value to owners of the PS3 version. There is absolutely NO incentive to buy this if you own the original. It's intended purely for those that haven't played the game previously, and i see nothing wrong with that. Just like how i see nothing wrong with Nintendo's overpricing of old titles. It's their game, thus their choice to do what they want with it. Just like it's my choice to buy or not buy something.


No. I am saying that publishers keep incentivizing late adoption over firsts (especially with single player titles like this) because, why buy the game now when you can buy it cheaper with everything built in... in less than two years? Why pay the 60$ upfront and then for all the DLC when you can just wait a while, the single player experience isn't going to change, and get it all for less? This leads to the need for hype-culture bullshit and piecemealing games to get those early adoptions to then milk them dry. Later they'll release the "full" game for everyone else waiting.c

I don't mind having rereleases with bonus content if they are half a decade later or more, at a discount. Then it makes sense. The used games, for a good title, by that point will cost about as much as the new because supply has dwindled (and for a truly good game, supply likely wouldn't exist in used in large doses). But putting it so close to the actual product? After already doing another remaster/rerelease for the same game? Why should I ever buy a new game from any of these publishers when I can wait a year, get the full package, and pay MUCH less without having to deal with ambigous season pass bullshit and otherwise? (Basically the: why buy any game on Steam for full price, effect. I've already basically adopted that stance myself with big titles because... why bother giving them money upfront when they'll be waiting to ask for more later?)

I am not talking about getting dippers to buy, I am talking about the simple problem that this sort of thing creates in the gaming culture. It doesn't matter if its ND, Nintendo, Batman, or the Maritan Independant Press. Nintendo overpricing their old titles isn't remotely related to this discussion, that's another matter entirely and one I also don't particularly agree with either. (Nintendo has a tendency to also do limited print runs which means you end up running out of certain games after a while. Which is an issue in and of itself, and they continue to charge full price for the digital.)

Edit: And just to be clear, you don't have to agree with me. I just don't like this sort of activity. I don't *not* buy new games either but unless they are games that I happen to be a major fan of or I know are very, very good, I just won't go out and buy a new title. Not even Shadow of Mordor, at the moment, because I've become to cynical to trust publishers. The only games I've bought new in recent memory were: Dark Souls 2, HyWa, and Bayo2. One I know will eventually have a GotY edition, one I knew going in had planned DLC, and one that I know will have neither. I'm far to cynical to buy anything from Squeenix or Ubisoft or Activision or, heck, even Sony and Microsoft at this point at launch because, even if its a series I like like Tomb Raider, I know they'll try to pull a few more pennies from your pocket and then later release the "full" version. And, you know, in a vacuum I'd probably be alright with all of it (you know, buy the game support it at launch and expect more, play it fresh, etc...) but, like I said, this just leads to more and more amping of the hype culture in games now because I'm effectively a lost profit and are many others, and the games need to launch/ship with pre-order DLC or pre-order special editions or whatever to re-capture that lost profit.

Go-go indies I guess?



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The amount of hate and defense this game gets its getting ridiculous.
Anyway, the timing is off, Sony should had release this version along the remastered one, or wait another year. Too much TLOU in too little time.



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Vena said:

No. I am saying that publishers keep incentivizing late adoption over firsts (especially with single player titles like this) because, why buy the game now when you can buy it cheaper with everything built in... in less than two years? Why pay the 60$ upfront and then for all the DLC when you can just wait a while, the single player experience isn't going to change, and get it all for less? This leads to the need for hype-culture bullshit and piecemealing games to get those early adoptions to then milk them dry. Later they'll release the "full" game for everyone else waiting.c

I don't mind having rereleases with bonus content if they are half a decade later or more, at a discount. Then it makes sense. The used games, for a good title, by that point will cost about as much as the new because supply has dwindled (and for a truly good game, supply likely wouldn't exist in used in large doses). But putting it so close to the actual product? After already doing another remaster/rerelease for the same game? Why should I ever buy a new game from any of these publishers when I can wait a year, get the full package, and pay MUCH less without having to deal with ambigous season pass bullshit and otherwise? (Basically the: why buy any game on Steam for full price, effect. I've already basically adopted that stance myself with big titles because... why bother giving them money upfront when they'll be waiting to ask for more later?)

I am not talking about getting dippers to buy, I am talking about the simple problem that this sort of thing creates in the gaming culture. It doesn't matter if its ND, Nintendo, Batman, or the Maritan Independant Press. Nintendo overpricing their old titles isn't remotely related to this discussion, that's another matter entirely and one I also don't particularly agree with either. (Nintendo has a tendency to also do limited print runs which means you end up running out of certain games after a while. Which is an issue in and of itself, and they continue to charge full price for the digital.)

Why buy a console now, when you could buy it cheaper in 5 years and have hundreds of low price games? Why go to see a film at the cinema when you could get it on DVD later? Why get it on DVD when you could wait and see it on TV? Why buy an iPhone now, when you could wait 2 years for it to be cheaper? Why ever buy anything new at all?

The answer? Not everyone wants to wait. Everyone knows the iPhone 6 will be a lot cheaper in 2 years. Everyone knows that game prices go down over time. Everyone knows films end up on DVD, and then on TV and Netflix. Despite knowing all this, many are perfectly happy to pay a premium because they don't want these things in over a years time. They want them now. THAT is what they are paying for. THAT is the incentive of being an early adopter. Don't think it's worth it? Then you have the choice to reduce your costs by playing the waiting game.

People are responsible for their own money. As long as they have a choice, and have access to all the information necessary to make that choice (regardless to if they choose to actually use it), then i don't have a problem with any of it. I think on disk DLC is bullshit. Know what i do? I don't buy games with it. I think season passes are a waist of money. Know what i do? I don't buy them. I think marketing can often be misleading. Know what i do? I research the games i want myself or wait for reviews.

Choice is fun.



jlmurph2 said:
Dadrik said:
Halo 4: release 2012
Halo 4 GOTY: release 2013
Halo 4 (MCC): release 2014


Wow, triple dipping hurrdurrphurr


TLOU: 2013

TLOUR: 2014

TLOU GOTY: 2014

See the difference?


Really? Really? I feel very sorry for you if a GotY edition of a game causes you to make such a fuss. Everyone and their monthers know GotYs are for late adopters, who just might be tempted to buy the game if given all the DLCs with the game. I love such deals, don't own a PS4 and haven't bought any version of TLOU thus far, so it's aimed at people like me and actually is tempting.

Any comments about anyone tripple dipping or Sony milking are ridiculous and humiliating for their authors. I think GotY editions are one of the best things that happened to us since the nightmare of DLCs invaded us. I still hope more games get such versions.



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BraLoD said:

PS3 don't have anything near to 80M active players man, you are considering all the years, people who bought and sold, bought more than one piece and stuff.
I think that both PS3 and 360 should had something around 20M-25M users by the time PS4 and XBO released, and now the number should be lower, maybe still a solid 15M users or so.
I'm taking the numbers from my head, no need to believe it, but I'm using GTA 5 success to take a margin, that can be totally off to be honest, but 80M you can have sure it is not even close.
Still a lot of room to sell TLOU, and GOTY's are a good thing and it can sell well, so no problem indeed.

Also, I was thinking that the triple dipping comment was a joke in the begginin, but I'm not so sure anymore now... if not, well, let him be.

How do you think that there are 20 million active users on the PS3, when GTA 5 retail version alone is nearing 20 million? Keeping in mind that the digital sales are probably incredible for a PS3 game. I am guessing you think about 125% of the active players bought the game?

Just curious. Though you are right about that the active base is nowhere near 75 million. 



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Zekkyou said:

Why buy a console now, when you could buy it cheaper in 5 years and have hundreds of low price games? Why go to see a film at the cinema when you could get it on DVD later? Why get it on DVD when you could wait and see it on TV? Why buy an iPhone now, when you could wait 2 years for it to be cheaper? Why ever buy anything new at all?


Not applicable. Movies, books, the console itself, iPhones, etc, do not have eventual DLC. What you buy is what you get, theres no magical "the complete version" sans a director's cut for a movie since no one is going to sit in a movie theater for 6 hours to watch the Lord of the Rings. Disney likes to pull this same bullshit by rereleasing the same thing over and over, and calling it something special but at least they don't tend to add in content to the package.

I buy a book new? The book will be the same book later. I don't have to wait for the "definitive version" nor would I ever expect one. Same for hardware. Same for just about everything. Nowadays with games though? Short of Nintendo (they barely even market their games at this point) and a few other publishers, I have to pause and ask myself do I really want to buy this "X" new when I know, not long down the road, DLC will be launched and, not long after, deals will go out with "buy X get Y free! Get the complete experience". Why should I pay out of the nose for the fresh game, then the DLC, when I can just wait and get both for cheaper? The only reason this mindset even exists is because publishers have made it this way.

And as I said, in a vacuum, I'd be fine with it for the most part. Its when you take into account that this is breeding the hype-culture and the two are basically results of one another, that it really looks ugly from my point of view. Games are already getting chopped up piecemeal by M$/Sony for "exclusive" bonuses before they've even launched, and games are promising and asking people to buy DLC before the game is even out... only to a little later release the Definitive Version for 40$. I hate it when Pokemon does this too with their "third" version.



ethomaz said:

This game...

Well this game will reach 10 million shipped.

Possible the biggest exclusive after Halo and GT last gen.

Wii Wii?

OT: Cool. I still haven't played the dlc. 



green_sky said:

Wii Wii?

OT: Cool. I still haven't played the dlc.

Sorry... and Mario games.



ethomaz said:

green_sky said:

Wii Wii?

OT: Cool. I still haven't played the dlc.

Sorry... and Mario games.

Fail answer but okay. GribbleGrunger promised me 10 points to stay on topic. Now i'll only get 5. 



Vena said:
Zekkyou said:

Why buy a console now, when you could buy it cheaper in 5 years and have hundreds of low price games? Why go to see a film at the cinema when you could get it on DVD later? Why get it on DVD when you could wait and see it on TV? Why buy an iPhone now, when you could wait 2 years for it to be cheaper? Why ever buy anything new at all?


Not applicable. Movies, books, the console itself, iPhones, etc, do not have eventual DLC. What you buy is what you get, theres no magical "the complete version" sans a director's cut for a movie since no one is going to sit in a movie theater for 6 hours to watch the Lord of the Rings. Disney likes to pull this same bullshit by rereleasing the same thing over and over, and calling it something special but at least they don't tend to add in content to the package.

I buy a book new? The book will be the same book later. I don't have to wait for the "definitive version" nor would I ever expect one. Same for hardware. Same for just about everything. Nowadays with games though? Short of Nintendo (they barely even market their games at this point) and a few other publishers, I have to pause and ask myself do I really want to buy this "X" new when I know, not long down the road, DLC will be launched and, not long after, deals will go out with "buy X get Y free! Get the complete experience". Why should I pay out of the nose for the fresh game, then the DLC, when I can just wait and get both for cheaper? The only reason this mindset even exists is because publishers have made it this way.

And as I said, in a vacuum, I'd be fine with it for the most part. Its when you take into account that this is breeding the hype-culture and the two are basically results of one another, that it really looks ugly from my point of view. Games are already getting chopped up piecemeal by M$/Sony for "exclusive" bonuses before they've even launched, and games are promising and asking people to buy DLC before the game is even out... only to a little later release the Definitive Version for 40$. I hate it when Pokemon does this too with their "third" version.

They are applicable. How directly comparable each is to the others varies, but the base point of "early adopted get less for their money, but get it earlier" remains constant. Time is money, and waiting is a coupon.

DLC is not inherently bad, nor does TLOU itself change. They are simply giving you the option to buy new content that they created after the original went gold (the latter point being why i'm fine with paying for it). A GOTY edition is simply a way of them collecting it all up, and offering it to you cheaper than if you'd bought it individually. You make up for the cheaper price by having to wait for it. If you decide you don't want the DLC at all, there is nothing stopping you getting the core game on its own. It's still the same critically acclaimed title that released in 2013, and it will be cheaper than the GOTY edition. 

Games aren't even a particularly prevalent example of modular and collection based sales. Just look at TV.

Millions of people choose to pay a lot of money to watch shows like Game of Thrones live, when they could just wait for the series DVD collection. Following on, some people choose to buy each series on DVD, when they could just wait a few years and get several series collections. The longer you're willing to wait, the more affordable it will be. Everyone knows this. Everyone makes a choice. People do the same with comics, manga, and books like the Silo series.

It's all a matter of choice. A matter of how long people are willing to wait, and what sort of practices they are willing to participate in. I'm not going to criticize a company for the choices of their customers, not as long as those customers had a choice in the matter.

As long as that choice remains, i couldn't give two shits what [x] or [y] do. If i don't like it, they don't get my money. Simplez.