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Is the Xbox One selling well?

No 450 59.84%
 
Yes 302 40.16%
 
Total:752

Why not wait for the financial report later today?

But any way.

In the revenue front the XOne is miles ahead of the 360, which was sold at a loss and less income fron Digital sales and subscription.

Microsoft lost more than 1Bi with the 360 first year. The One needs only 10mi to profit 1Bi in hardware gross margins alone.



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The X1 didnt have a price reduction. It had a new SKU introduced without a core component. The PS3 had a $100 price reduction. That being said there have been several special offers as well. So yes the X1 hasnt sold well. I do believe that it will start selling better in relationship to the PS4. It does amaze me with the lackluster lineup of games that have released in 2014, scheduled games for the remainder of 2014, and the far inferior extra features that the PS4 has continued to stay ahead as much as it has.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Now? Yes (but not a succes)

This summer? No... JUST NO

By Jenuary 2015? I don't know...



thx1139 said:
The X1 didnt have a price reduction. It had a new SKU introduced without a core component. The PS3 had a $100 price reduction. That being said there have been several special offers as well. So yes the X1 hasnt sold well. I do believe that it will start selling better in relationship to the PS4. It does amaze me with the lackluster lineup of games that have released in 2014, scheduled games for the remainder of 2014, and the far inferior extra features that the PS4 has continued to stay ahead as much as it has.

It's had both (here in the UK at least). We've had an official £30 cut, then another £50 when they removed Kinect, and another £20 last month. That's not including the free game stuff, of course.



If I remember correctly the PS3 did horribly for so long that Sony almost never made a profit and is still recouping losses?



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BMaker11 said:
Techmaster said:
Isn't this a pointless post? no matter how you want to spin the numbers the end result is the XB1 has sold more than the X360 like for like over the same time period.

As long as the XB1 sells better than the 360 and their division is making profit I'm sure MS will be happy, there is no point MS trying to catch the PS4 sales, the PS4 has won the sales war this gen already

It's not spin when you analyze factors, especially ones as important as current sales.

If Xbone launched at 10M, but didn't sell a single console again from January until now, would you be praising how much "better" it's doing than 360....even though right now (in this example), nobody is buying it and the forseeable future is that nobody will buy it? Yea, 10M, and like for like, it outsold the 360 in the same time period....but no sales afterward just means you're leaning on launch to make what the reality is, 11 months afterward, look better.

That's what you do when you say "it's selling better than 360 in the same time period" despite the fact that outside of that 6 week launch period, 360 has handidly outsold the XBone in the same time period. Launch was 11 months ago. Stop talking about it.  Stop relying on it. Those 6 weeks are the only thing XBone got right. People who invest in Xbox, want to make new IPs for Xbox, etc aren't gonna overlook the poor sales that have occurred since immediately after launch til now  and say "sure, I'll put my money in this platform. I mean, it's future isn't looking good, but who cares about where this platform is going? It had a great launch an irrelevant time ago!" Yea....so did Betamax. Not that XBone will go the way of Betamax, but just relying on a strong launch instead of current trends is deluding yourself to make "healthy sales" something it isn't.

I disagree but that's just my opinion - I assume if you take away the PS4 out of the equation the XB1 is selling at comparable levels against the other platforms like the WiiU (i havent checked the figures, im just assuming) - also it seems the XB360 has a lot of legs left in it so you could argue there are many 360 owners yet to upgrade to next gen yet.

 



Mr Puggsly said:
Assuming this is another longer generation, they can probably sell 40 - 50 million units.

In my opinion, that would doing well.

It really depends on the context. With that logic, we could assume that the PS3 was a huge success because it outsold most consoles ever released. Going for sheer numbers, I would say that the PS3 and SNES were a success.

Going for the full context, the PS3 lost an almost full monopoly and allowed the competitors to get at the same level of sales. The SNES lost the full monopoly of the NES and allowed Sega to become a big player and made Nintendo fragile enough to be overcome by Sony. From this perspective, the X1 is losing the share that the 360 conquered and that isn't the same as going well. And even the brute numbers of 40-50M aren't that good for the current market size.



There are 3 answers to this question.

Definition one of "is the system selling well" - Is it profitable for MS?

Definition two of "is the system selling well" - Is it holding onto, or growing, marketshare over the competition and/or its own previous iteration?

Definition three of "is the system selling well" - Is it hitting the general expectations of those who look strictly at sales numbers - without any other indicators?

MS only cares about the top two.



Yes, you are right. Its not selling well at all. And that's with MS trying really hard with games and pricecuts. Oh well, its MS's fault for having such a terrible console reveal.



    

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BMaker11 said:
Techmaster said:
Isn't this a pointless post? no matter how you want to spin the numbers the end result is the XB1 has sold more than the X360 like for like over the same time period.

As long as the XB1 sells better than the 360 and their division is making profit I'm sure MS will be happy, there is no point MS trying to catch the PS4 sales, the PS4 has won the sales war this gen already

It's not spin when you analyze factors, especially ones as important as current sales.

If Xbone launched at 10M, but didn't sell a single console again from January until now, would you be praising how much "better" it's doing than 360....even though right now (in this example), nobody is buying it and the forseeable future is that nobody will buy it? Yea, 10M, and like for like, it outsold the 360 in the same time period....but no sales afterward just means you're leaning on launch to make what the reality is, 11 months afterward, look better.

That's what you do when you say "it's selling better than 360 in the same time period" despite the fact that outside of that 6 week launch period, 360 has handidly outsold the XBone in the same time period. Launch was 11 months ago. Stop talking about it.  Stop relying on it. Those 6 weeks are the only thing XBone got right. People who invest in Xbox, want to make new IPs for Xbox, etc aren't gonna overlook the poor sales that have occurred since immediately after launch til now  and say "sure, I'll put my money in this platform. I mean, it's future isn't looking good, but who cares about where this platform is going? It had a great launch an irrelevant time ago!" Yea....so did Betamax. Not that XBone will go the way of Betamax, but just relying on a strong launch instead of current trends is deluding yourself to make "healthy sales" something it isn't.

 

The funny thing about the great optimism for a possible comeback of XB1 behind such articles is the fact that THEY READ TOO MUCH INTO THE LAUNCH PERIOD. The very same sources that have been criticizing and were overly conservative when PS4 comfortably beat the already decent XB1 launch numbers, telling us to NOT READ TOO MUCH INTO IT, are now doing it to an IRRATIONAL EXTENT.

Without the launch numbers, XB1 is selling between the original XBox and X360, and approaching more to the XBox territory. Xbox numbers are usually understated (especially in US), forgetting the fact that it sold 24 million in just 3 years (8 million per year) while X360 sold over 80 million in 7 years (about 11-12 million). The increase is not as dramatic as it is made out to be. The main reason here was not the Xbox brand itself but the incompetence of Sony with the unrealisitc PS3 design and marketing. Now that PS4 has a much more successful strategy, things are back to normal with XB1, which can be expected to sell X360 levels (7-8 mil / year) adjusted for time, meaning around 45-60 million lifetime.

Things are easy, it's just the people are manking it difficult to read due to their own desires and wishful thinking.



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