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Soriku said:
tiffac said:
I just can't help but wonder why do people care too much on something they don't believe in. I mean no one ever saw God, except whatever is said in the Bible or whatever religious scripture says so. No one ever saw a single celled creature evolved into a man or saw the Big Bang happened but we just can't live with it, if someone believes one or the other for some freaking reason.


Well the difference is that we have evidence for evolution and the Big Bang, and none for any type of god.

But anyway, people don't like it when others have differing opinions on games, movies, books, clothes, sports teams, other people, etc. It's just human nature to want people to share a similar opinion to you.

It goes too far when you're willing to constantly spread lies, change laws, or harm/kill people to validate your beliefs though.

Personally I don't like ignorance and the harm religion causes, which is why I argue against religion.

I don't know man, no one actually saw it happened. I mean the Big Bang alone doesn't say what was the stuff before it but it just happened and we all accepted it. Evolution came from Darwin but no one ever saw a single celled creature turned into something else but we all just accepted it.

But yeah your right its human nature to have their own opinion and believe in things they want to, even on stuff of what other people just say without visual evidence what-so-ever and consider it facts. Its just who we are. (But nothing beats bad Voting. lol!)

Personally, I hate it when people only focuses on the negative aspect of things and disregard every good things the other side has done. Then discriminates to no end. Wether its Science or Religion I never mix the good with the bad because its just unfair.



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tiffac said:
Soriku said:
tiffac said:
I just can't help but wonder why do people care too much on something they don't believe in. I mean no one ever saw God, except whatever is said in the Bible or whatever religious scripture says so. No one ever saw a single celled creature evolved into a man or saw the Big Bang happened but we just can't live with it, if someone believes one or the other for some freaking reason.


Well the difference is that we have evidence for evolution and the Big Bang, and none for any type of god.

But anyway, people don't like it when others have differing opinions on games, movies, books, clothes, sports teams, other people, etc. It's just human nature to want people to share a similar opinion to you.

It goes too far when you're willing to constantly spread lies, change laws, or harm/kill people to validate your beliefs though.

Personally I don't like ignorance and the harm religion causes, which is why I argue against religion.

I don't know man, no one actually saw it happened. I mean the Big Bang alone doesn't say what was the stuff before it but it just happened and we all accepted it. Evolution came from Darwin but no one ever saw a single celled creature turned into something else but we all just accepted it.

But yeah your right its human nature to have their own opinion and believe in things they want to, even on stuff of what other people just say without visual evidence what-so-ever and consider it facts. Its just who we are. (But nothing beats bad Voting. lol!)

Personally, I hate it when people only focuses on the negative aspect of things and disregard every good things the other side has done. Then discriminates to no end. Wether its Science or Religion I never mix the good with the bad because its just unfair.


The big bang isn't required to know what happened before it, that's for a seperate theory and model, all the big bang describes is that there was an initial expansion from a singularity which all of our observations point to. 

Micro and Macro Evolution has been observed in the lab and in nature.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
tiffac said:
Soriku said:
tiffac said:
I just can't help but wonder why do people care too much on something they don't believe in. I mean no one ever saw God, except whatever is said in the Bible or whatever religious scripture says so. No one ever saw a single celled creature evolved into a man or saw the Big Bang happened but we just can't live with it, if someone believes one or the other for some freaking reason.


Well the difference is that we have evidence for evolution and the Big Bang, and none for any type of god.

But anyway, people don't like it when others have differing opinions on games, movies, books, clothes, sports teams, other people, etc. It's just human nature to want people to share a similar opinion to you.

It goes too far when you're willing to constantly spread lies, change laws, or harm/kill people to validate your beliefs though.

Personally I don't like ignorance and the harm religion causes, which is why I argue against religion.

I don't know man, no one actually saw it happened. I mean the Big Bang alone doesn't say what was the stuff before it but it just happened and we all accepted it. Evolution came from Darwin but no one ever saw a single celled creature turned into something else but we all just accepted it.

But yeah your right its human nature to have their own opinion and believe in things they want to, even on stuff of what other people just say without visual evidence what-so-ever and consider it facts. Its just who we are. (But nothing beats bad Voting. lol!)

Personally, I hate it when people only focuses on the negative aspect of things and disregard every good things the other side has done. Then discriminates to no end. Wether its Science or Religion I never mix the good with the bad because its just unfair.


The big bang isn't required to know what happened before it, that's for a seperate theory and model, all the big bang describes is that there was an initial expansion from a singularity which all of our observations point to. 

Micro and Macro Evolution has been observed in the lab and in nature.

 


I'm no science geek so bare with me here and don't take these questions bad. I may be educationally bad but this is good stuff too.

So Micro to macro? Like single cell turning into a fish or something change thing?

Where did the singularity came from that created the Big Bang?



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tiffac said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
tiffac said:
Soriku said:
tiffac said:
I just can't help but wonder why do people care too much on something they don't believe in. I mean no one ever saw God, except whatever is said in the Bible or whatever religious scripture says so. No one ever saw a single celled creature evolved into a man or saw the Big Bang happened but we just can't live with it, if someone believes one or the other for some freaking reason.


Well the difference is that we have evidence for evolution and the Big Bang, and none for any type of god.

But anyway, people don't like it when others have differing opinions on games, movies, books, clothes, sports teams, other people, etc. It's just human nature to want people to share a similar opinion to you.

It goes too far when you're willing to constantly spread lies, change laws, or harm/kill people to validate your beliefs though.

Personally I don't like ignorance and the harm religion causes, which is why I argue against religion.

I don't know man, no one actually saw it happened. I mean the Big Bang alone doesn't say what was the stuff before it but it just happened and we all accepted it. Evolution came from Darwin but no one ever saw a single celled creature turned into something else but we all just accepted it.

But yeah your right its human nature to have their own opinion and believe in things they want to, even on stuff of what other people just say without visual evidence what-so-ever and consider it facts. Its just who we are. (But nothing beats bad Voting. lol!)

Personally, I hate it when people only focuses on the negative aspect of things and disregard every good things the other side has done. Then discriminates to no end. Wether its Science or Religion I never mix the good with the bad because its just unfair.


The big bang isn't required to know what happened before it, that's for a seperate theory and model, all the big bang describes is that there was an initial expansion from a singularity which all of our observations point to. 

Micro and Macro Evolution has been observed in the lab and in nature.

 


I'm no science geek so bare with me here and don't take these questions bad. I may be educationally bad but this is good stuff too.

So Micro to macro? Like single cell turning into a fish or something change thing?

Where did the singularity came from that created the Big Bang?

It's fine, scientists can be awful at making themselves clear to the general public.

We'll start with micro evolution:

Micro evolution is where a species becomes.. well, better. So think of it in this scenario, Farmer Bill's crops suffer every year from insects destroying it, so he buys a pesticide to lower the population so his crops survive better. But a few months down the line Bill finds the insect population rising again, what's happening here is that after many generations the insects start producing offspring that are becoming resistant to the pesticide, adapting to the environment to survive. We have many examples of Micro Evolution.

Macro evolution is a bit more complicated to grasp but is the same thinking as Micro evolution:

Macro evolution is basically one species becoming another, which means nothing without the proper definition of "Species" which is basically described as if 2 creatures can produce FERTILE offspring they are of the same species, for example Lions and Tigers can have offspring known as 'Ligers' look them up they look pretty awesome but these Ligers are infertile and cannot produce children. 

So Macro evolution is pretty much lots and lots of Micro Evolution, until what you end up with is completely different than to what you started with, you can get a new population that cannot mate with the old population.

And no one knows where the singularity came from, so you can put a creator there if you want to, but no theory whether supernatural or not will not be accepted by the scientific community without actual evidence. Which I personally think is impossible as the big bang would've destroyed all evidence to what has happened before, for all we know the universe bangs outwards for a few billion years, and pulls itself back in and bangs out again eternally, destroying whatever evidence was left of the universe before it. We just don't and possible wont know. Unless we can create a machine that can simulate the entire universe and fast forward or rewind and see what happens.



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The evolution stuff sounds like something I can digest err... too much bill crops explanation led me to think of beef for some reason. lol!

So we only got stuck at the Big Bang Theory (not the comedy show, of course) which kinda blows since its the starting point of everything.

Oh and thank you for your time. That was an awesome of you :)



ArchangelMadzz said:
tiffac said:

 


I'm no science geek so bare with me here and don't take these questions bad. I may be educationally bad but this is good stuff too.

So Micro to macro? Like single cell turning into a fish or something change thing?

Where did the singularity came from that created the Big Bang?

It's fine, scientists can be awful at making themselves clear to the general public.

We'll start with micro evolution:

Micro evolution is where a species becomes.. well, better. So think of it in this scenario, Farmer Bill's crops suffer every year from insects destroying it, so he buys a pesticide to lower the population so his crops survive better. But a few months down the line Bill finds the insect population rising again, what's happening here is that after many generations the insects start producing offspring that are becoming resistant to the pesticide, adapting to the environment to survive. We have many examples of Micro Evolution.

Macro evolution is a bit more complicated to grasp but is the same thinking as Micro evolution:

Macro evolution is basically one species becoming another, which means nothing without the proper definition of "Species" which is basically described as if 2 creatures can produce FERTILE offspring they are of the same species, for example Lions and Tigers can have offspring known as 'Ligers' look them up they look pretty awesome but these Ligers are infertile and cannot produce children

So Macro evolution is pretty much lots and lots of Micro Evolution, until what you end up with is completely different than to what you started with, you can get a new population that cannot mate with the old population.

And no one knows where the singularity came from, so you can put a creator there if you want to, but no theory whether supernatural or not will not be accepted by the scientific community without actual evidence. Which I personally think is impossible as the big bang would've destroyed all evidence to what has happened before, for all we know the universe bangs outwards for a few billion years, and pulls itself back in and bangs out again eternally, destroying whatever evidence was left of the universe before it. We just don't and possible wont know. Unless we can create a machine that can simulate the entire universe and fast forward or rewind and see what happens.

A Russian zoo recently managed to breed a liger and a lion together:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/09/120921-liliger-liger-lion-tiger-big-cats-animals-science/

Although chances of success are very remote, they're still capable of producing offspring.



tiffac said:
The evolution stuff sounds like something I can digest err... too much bill crops explanation led me to think of beef for some reason. lol!

So we only got stuck at the Big Bang Theory (not the comedy show, of course) which kinda blows since its the starting point of everything.

Oh and thank you for your time. That was an awesome of you :)

Big Bang have some natural evidence to base the thesis. Basically entrophy growth law, universe cool down and rate of dislocation of galaxies. No one could prove beyound all that it occured but for now is the closer explanation to universe beggining and accepting it we have timeline from nano seconds after big bang through today covering like 12 billion years if I'm not wrong.





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Scoobes said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
tiffac said:

 


I'm no science geek so bare with me here and don't take these questions bad. I may be educationally bad but this is good stuff too.

So Micro to macro? Like single cell turning into a fish or something change thing?

Where did the singularity came from that created the Big Bang?

It's fine, scientists can be awful at making themselves clear to the general public.

We'll start with micro evolution:

Micro evolution is where a species becomes.. well, better. So think of it in this scenario, Farmer Bill's crops suffer every year from insects destroying it, so he buys a pesticide to lower the population so his crops survive better. But a few months down the line Bill finds the insect population rising again, what's happening here is that after many generations the insects start producing offspring that are becoming resistant to the pesticide, adapting to the environment to survive. We have many examples of Micro Evolution.

Macro evolution is a bit more complicated to grasp but is the same thinking as Micro evolution:

Macro evolution is basically one species becoming another, which means nothing without the proper definition of "Species" which is basically described as if 2 creatures can produce FERTILE offspring they are of the same species, for example Lions and Tigers can have offspring known as 'Ligers' look them up they look pretty awesome but these Ligers are infertile and cannot produce children

So Macro evolution is pretty much lots and lots of Micro Evolution, until what you end up with is completely different than to what you started with, you can get a new population that cannot mate with the old population.

And no one knows where the singularity came from, so you can put a creator there if you want to, but no theory whether supernatural or not will not be accepted by the scientific community without actual evidence. Which I personally think is impossible as the big bang would've destroyed all evidence to what has happened before, for all we know the universe bangs outwards for a few billion years, and pulls itself back in and bangs out again eternally, destroying whatever evidence was left of the universe before it. We just don't and possible wont know. Unless we can create a machine that can simulate the entire universe and fast forward or rewind and see what happens.

A Russian zoo recently managed to breed a liger and a lion together:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/09/120921-liliger-liger-lion-tiger-big-cats-animals-science/

Although chances of success are very remote, they're still capable of producing offspring.

Male Tigons and Ligers are sterile, but female hybrids can produce cubs. Because a liger is part lion is makes sense that this is possible, but ligers cannot create they're own population.



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tiffac said:
The evolution stuff sounds like something I can digest err... too much bill crops explanation led me to think of beef for some reason. lol!

So we only got stuck at the Big Bang Theory (not the comedy show, of course) which kinda blows since its the starting point of everything.

Oh and thank you for your time. That was an awesome of you :)


Anytime! :) Yeah it's not the most simple of things, but I suppose unfortunately the reason for the biodiversity we see on the planet isn't really going to be.



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