I think it is fair to say that the numbers on this sight are inaccurate at best, and whilst that is a criticism, I don't envy those responsible for chasing the figures and constantly putting their reputation on the line. I wouldn't worry too much in that regard. Then onto Insomniac, they are far from one of the best developers out there. You said:

'Insomniac, though one of the best developers, have had a average track record in the past 2 years or so with their recent games
(Fuse, All4One, FFA, Into the nexus(very short game)'

To me that says Insomniac had a few hits but have become an extremely mediocre developer as of late, and that reputation is what damages them. You could liken them to Rare I suppose, although a lot more people still hold out hope for Rare.

From a personal perspective, Sunset Overdrive was the game that was going to make it difficult to maintain my decision to avoid buying an Xbox One, but after having seen multiple Twitch streams and video previews, I can only say that I am disappointed in what I am seeing. Whilst the game itself looks beautiful and the art-style is something that appeals to me greatly, the game-play looks...empty. I don't know what it is exactly, but there seems to be some sort of disconnect between me and the game. It is difficult to explain, but it also means that I will not be actively seeking out a way to play Sunset Overdrive and I certainly won't be buying an Xbox to do so.

It's actually funny you mention this, makes me think that racing games might by genre have some of the best legs? GT5 sold well for a very long time, even other racers like Mario Kart 8 sold consistently for a long long time. 

I've seen tons of adverts on the Tv for SO, but the graphics look horrible and it made parts of the game look chaotic in a bad way. Wonder if the adverts are having the impact they should or if they might be affecting it negatively.

wouldn't read too much into that. 

It is one of thoes games that people are waiting for reviews to buy.  Especially after Destiny...

It will probabally sell about as well as DR3 did.

How much do you folk think MS paid for this game to be built, marketed and published? With the number of adverts on Tv and online it seems to have gotten a decent marketing budget and I'm sure the game itself will have cost a bit as it looks like a big project unlike the linear Resistance series.

Its very possible that Racing games would be.  Gran Turismo , NFS, Forza, Mario Kart etc all sale very well over time though GT5 and MArio Kart also have big launches as well.

Fighting games is another one that id categorize as a genre that typically does well over time.  

Not that I agree with the guy at all....but weren't Forza 2, 3, 4, Horizon and 5 all heavily bundled? Forza 2 was sold with almost every 360 at one point, Forza 3 was bundled with Halo: ODST officially, and holiday bundled with other games in 2009. Forza 4 was holiday bundled in many places as well. Same with Horizon, and it was an official holiday bundle too (not just certain retailers tossing the game in for free). Holidays being the highest sales period of the year benefited these games. And Gen 7 console sales were waning in 2012, so you consequently saw comparatively lower sales for Horizon.  Forza 5 was bundled throughout this year to spur XBone sales before they ultimately dropped Kinect (even though the Kinect + Forza 5 bundle can still be found). You can see the drop off for Forza 5 (as related to total Xbone sales).

Again, I don't agree with the guy you replied to, it's just that Forza is a bad example to defend. It's not a game with legs. It's a game with millions of copies given away for free.

Forza can typically sell 2-3m on its own but yes Forza does get bundled just as InFamous, Uncharted, Halo, Gran Turismo, New Super Mario Bros, or many others get heavily bundled through multiple holidays as well.  The simple way of looking at this is, MSFT keeps making forza games for a reason and they use it as a sentiment to buy Xbox during the holidays just as sony would use Uncharted in bundles each year.

Also horizon and motorsports sell differently as theyre very different games.  One is a sim, one is an arcade game.  Sim racers  are more popular than arcade racers.  FH2 will most likely sell between 1-2m

Clearly no one wants Forza, which is why they apparently bundle it so much. I mean why add something desirable to a bundle when you can just put in Forza discs. I am surprised they don't give people 3 copies in each bundle.

Regarding Sunset, as pretty much everyone else said, you can't really trust the preorder numbers here. And either way, no big deal. We have no idea how many copies this game needs to sell in order to be a success for Insomniac and MS. One of the developers referenced a possible sequel in an IGN video yesterday, how much does the first have to sell in order to make that happen? Who knows.

I do know the game looks great though. That same guy referenced two SEGA games as their main influence for Sunset, those of course being Jet Set and Crazy Taxi. Sounds like a recipe for a winner to me.

And right on time, you chime in with your textbook sarcasm that completely misses the point. It's not that "no one wants Forza". Just don't talk about how great the game "sold" when the overwhelming majority of the sales are free copies. Especially when the game is bundled with every console during the Christmas season, when console sales are the highest during the year (not just some random time during the year, when console sales are much lower).

Never said Forza was unpopular or that it wouldn't sell on its own. But it's a fact that the millions of copies "sold" for Forza 2, 3, 4, and 5 were free copies (unlike Destiny, for example, which you still had to pay for, albeit saving $10). Until we see the game either A. not get a bundle at all (looking at Forza 2) or B. be bundled much later than the holiday season (3, 4, and 5 were all holiday releases, with 5 still being bundled with Kinect RIGHT NOW), we have no way to verify if "Forza could do 2-3M on its own", when 4M Xboxes are sold in the last 8 weeks of the year, coincidentally right when the game is released and subsequently bundled with every console. And the game just so happens to top out at 4-5M copies sold.

All I was saying was that it was a bad example to defend or even have as a comparison, but you just gotta have your one up, don't you?

I, personally, don't think SO will bomb. Insomniac doesn't make $100M budget games, so it doesn't need to sell 5M to make a profit. With the install base the XBone has right now, I'd say it'd comfortably sell 1.5-1.75M