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sundin13 said:

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Fine. Since it's off-topic and since you didn't explain why it's good for today's standard and I have no intention of wasting my time explaining why it's bad for today's standard... except... you know... being a story about two horny stupid teenagers wanting to screw each other and their parents are in the way... haven't seen that a million times already... Let's just leave it to everybody's own interpretation.

It is okay to think you "won", if you are so inclined.



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Everyone thinks everyone is a hipster.



Psychotic said:

sundin13 said:

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Fine. Since it's off-topic and since you didn't explain why it's good for today's standard and I have no intention of wasting my time explaining why it's bad for today's standard... except... you know... being a story about two horny stupid teenagers wanting to screw each other and their parents are in the way... haven't seen that a million times already... Let's just leave it to everybody's own interpretation.

It is okay to think you "won", if you are so inclined.


You have to be one of the worst debaters I have spoken to. You constantly forget what you are discussing and say "my point is" followed by something that wasn't remotely close to your original point. Then you follow it up with this beauty of a comment, which makes a grand generalization saying that Romeo and Juliet is about two "horny stupid teenagers" (which isn't a bad thing in any way...great books can be written about horny stupid teenagers), and ignore all of the subtleties of "star crossed lovers" plot. You can't make the argument that Romeo and Juliet is cliche when so many works following it are blatant homages, and yet none of them have surpassed their inspiration. If that is the stongest point you have to make, and you just choose to ignore the brilliant wordplay and dialogue and some of the best usage of iambic pentameter in literature, to suit your preconceived notions, then that is your fault alone. Your arguments are as nuanced as a rock and then you follow it all up with the patronizing BS of your last line. You may continue with your lackadaisical debates and continue to make grand generalizations in the way that worst represents the truth, and I will just leave you with the opening lines of Romeo and Juliet (although I'm sure you will brush it off as just the old, dusty words of a man long dead):

"Two households, both alike in dignity,
In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life;
Whole misadventured piteous overthrows
Do with their death bury their parents' strife."


Damn man don't be generalising metal heads like that.



sundin13 said:


You have to be one of the worst debaters I have spoken to. You constantly forget what you are discussing and say "my point is" followed by something that wasn't remotely close to your original point.

Uhhh. what? Are you high?

sundin13 said:


Then you follow it up with this beauty of a comment, which makes a grand generalization saying that Romeo and Juliet is about two "horny stupid teenagers" (which isn't a bad thing in any way...great books can be written about horny stupid teenagers), and ignore all of the subtleties of "star crossed lovers" plot.

Hm... Twilight? I don't know...

sundin13 said:

(...), and you just choose to ignore the brilliant wordplay and dialogue and some of the best usage of iambic pentameter in literature, to suit your preconceived notions, then that is your fault alone.

I haven't read the original, so it's possible that the translator wasn't skilled enough to transfer that to a different language. In any case, I judge books on the story it tells, whether or not it makes me think, whether I can identify with the characters, whether I care anout them... I indeed fail to see the subtleties of language. You can have a perfect technique, but if the story isn't interesting, it's wasted.

You aren't a perfect debater yourself, homeboy. Constant subjective opinions stated as fact, constant appeals to popularity or authority (which isn't that bad on the subject of art, though...), you can't avoid using personal attacks and you can't keep calm and rational. In other words, you take everything personally. Work on that, 

 

sundin13 said:

You may continue with your lackadaisical debates and continue to make grand generalizations in the way that worst represents the truth, and I will just leave you with the opening lines of Romeo and Juliet (although I'm sure you will brush it off as just the old, dusty words of a man long dead):

And I also leave you with a quote by Shakespeare:



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DeZA said:
Damn man don't be generalising metal heads like that.


Generalizing people is useful, if not necessary.



but you're pulling statements out of your ass.

Anything gets popular, they suddenly don't like it - I've seen this happen within fans of every genre that's not Pop.

... the elitism - I've seen elitism within fans of every genre that's not Pop.

... the superiority complex - I've seen that within fans of every genre that's not Pop.

... the way they're "non-conformist" - I've seen that within fans of every genre that's not Pop.

, yet still similar to each other in clothes and behavior (i. e. conforming)... the close-mindedness and their adamance in denying it... their insecurity...

this can all be applied to fans of any genre that's not pop. I can generalise and make the same topic titled 'are Hip hop fans just hipsters in gangsta clothing?'

 



DeZA said:

this can all be applied to fans of any genre that's not pop. I can generalise and make the same topic titled 'are Hip hop fans just hipsters in gangsta clothing?'

Actually it's a pretty good point the more I think about it... maybe it's not metalheads per se, all subcultures have their elitists and hypocrites and stuff...

But I'd say metalheads are the worst offenders.

"I've never seen a group go so far out of their way to hate things."
Adam Buckley (about metalheads)



Makes sense.
Also, I think aging metal heads are the saddest individuals I have ever seen in my life, specially brazilian ones.
There is something really pathetic in seeying a big belly, grey headed individual with a Iron Maiden t-shirt.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva said:
Makes sense.
Also, I think aging metal heads are the saddest individuals I have ever seen in my life, specially brazilian ones.
There is something really pathetic in seeying a big belly, grey headed individual with a Iron Maiden t-shirt.

Wow, really?  So someone who liked music 25-30 years ago and still likes the same music today is pathetic?  Because in my eyes, someone who jumps from trend to trend is pathetic.