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WagnerPaiva on 19 October 2014

So, every time I enter a religious thread it is a lot of fun. But, what do you guys believe after all? Let´s play a game.

Copy and paste the following:

Religion:

Earth age:

Evolution or Creationism:

UFOs:

Ghosts:

Bible prophecy:

Dinosaurs:

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Now you answer with a very short phrase each one of those. I will start and you guys can follow me. Have fun and be sincere!

Religion: Born again christian.

Earth age: Young Earth, 7 thousand years.

Evolution or Creationism: Life was created as it is by God.

UFOs: demons in disguise.

Ghosts: demons in disguise.

Bible prophecy: 100% truth.

Dinosaurs: Lived with man, died in the Flood. The very last were killed through the ages, the last ones in the middle ages. Probably there are some around somewhere...

IMPORTANT: Read, have, DO NOT JUDGE. DO NOT FIGHT. This thread is not about changing anyone´s faith, it is about just having a chat about it.



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WagnerPaiva on 19 October 2014
Soriku said:

Religion: Not religious.

Earth age: 4.54 billion years old.

Evolution or Creationism: Evolution.

UFOs: A fabrication. Extraterrestrials themselves are likely to exist consider the scale of the universe, but I doubt they've visited Earth, and especially not on flying saucers.

Ghosts: Also a fabrication.

Bible prophecy: Outdated predictions, complete nonsense.

Dinosaurs: Lived between 230 and 65 million years ago, millions of years before homo sapiens. They never lived with humans. They died out around 65 million years ago, likely due to the collision of a meteorite that affected the atmosphere.

Dragons:

http://www.travelchinaguide.com/intro/social_customs/dragon_lion.htm

"The people of China have a long held belief that they are descendents of the dragon, a tradition that is firmly embedded in their culture and one that is encountered across all aspects of Chinese society and in the minds of its people. Whereas in western cultures the dragon is usually regarded as a symbol of malevolence, in China it is held in high esteem for its dignity and power for good."

The dragon is a cultural symbol, partly wrought by superstition. Don't look into it too much.

Marco Polo was either referring to certain types of animals like alligators, or it's just a fabrication used to make the tales appear more fantastical.


A man of science. Fair enough.



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mysticwolf on 19 October 2014

This is a complicated question, but I'll do my best: 

Religion: Christian; Disciples of Christ denomination

Earth age: Old earth, as in ~4.5 billion years

Evolution or Creationism: This isn't really a ditchotomy. There are at least six models of creation: Naturalistic Evolution, Nonteleogical Evolution, Planned Evolution, Directed Evolution, Old-Earth Creation, and. Young-Earth Creation. The model of creation I believe in is called Directed Evolution. This is an exerpt from a book I read:

Directed evolution: God not only brought the universe into being but continues to act on it, to bring about his plans. Science and religion are viewed as interacting domains of knowledge. They overlap. 

1. God has a predetermined purpose for the world, and the Bible shows that he intervenes in the natural world as necessary to accomplish that plan

2. Miracles are recorded in the Bible to show that God intervenes occasionally in redemptive history, so it is reasonable to think the same might be true for natural history.

3. Since we see a large number of low-probability evens that seem to be directed towards a goal, these would be best explained as interventions. 

UFOs: I find it very likely that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. Perhaps they have visited us. I've never seen a UFO, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in them. As they say, seeing is believing. And I want to believe. It would be an extraordinary experience to meet an extraterrestrial. 

Ghosts: Yes, I believe in ghosts, I think. I suppose there are good/neutral ghosts as well as bad ghosts. But I couldn't tell you how ghosts are created or why they are there. 

Bible prophecy: Not quite sure what this is asking. I believe in Jesus if that's what you mean. I don't think every prophecy in the Bible will come true. But I believe many of the prophecies in the Bible have come true. I guess I'm kind of indifferent to Bible prophecies. 

Dinosaurs: They are real, and they died 65 million years ago. Pretty sure science has this in the bag. 

Bonus: Adam and Eve: Not real people. I believe that in the Bible they are used as symbols of humanity. 



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WagnerPaiva on 19 October 2014
mysticwolf said:

This is a complicated question, but I'll do my best: 

Religion: Christian; Disciples of Christ denomination

Earth age: Old earth, as in ~4.5 billion years

Evolution or Creationism: This isn't really a ditchotomy. There are at least six models of creation: Naturalistic Evolution, Nonteleogical Evolution, Planned Evolution, Directed Evolution, Old-Earth Creation, and. Young-Earth Creation. The model of creation I believe in is called Directed Evolution. This is an exerpt from a book I read:

Directed evolution: God not only brought the universe into being but continues to act on it, to bring about his plans. Science and religion are viewed as interacting domains of knowledge. They overlap. 

1. God has a predetermined purpose for the world, and the Bible shows that he intervenes in the natural world as necessary to accomplish that plan

2. Miracles are recorded in the Bible to show that God intervenes occasionally in redemptive history, so it is reasonable to think the same might be true for natural history.

3. Since we see a large number of low-probability evens that seem to be directed towards a goal, these would be best explained as interventions. 

UFOs: I find it very likely that aliens exist elsewhere in the universe. Perhaps they have visited us. I've never seen a UFO, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in them. As they say, seeing is believing. And I want to believe. It would be an extraordinary experience to meet an extraterrestrial. 

Ghosts: Yes, I believe in ghosts, I think. I suppose there are good/neutral ghosts as well as bad ghosts. But I couldn't tell you how ghosts are created or why they are there. 

Bible prophecy: Not quite sure what this is asking. I believe in Jesus if that's what you mean. I don't think every prophecy in the Bible will come true. But I believe many of the prophecies in the Bible have come true. I guess I'm kind of indifferent to Bible prophecies. 

Dinosaurs: They are real, and they died 65 million years ago. Pretty sure science has this in the bag. 

Bonus: Adam and Eve: Not real people. I believe that in the Bible they are used as symbols of humanity. 

Good effort. Funny to think people think that demons, ghosts and aliens are three diferent things. But I guess you are not alone, there are tons of people that believe it.



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WagnerPaiva on 19 October 2014
Soriku said:
mysticwolf said:

1. God has a predetermined purpose for the world, and the Bible shows that he intervenes in the natural world as necessary to accomplish that plan

3. Since we see a large number of low-probability evens that seem to be directed towards a goal, these would be best explained as interventions.

1. Does this plan directly involve humans? Why did God wait billions of years for humans to come about?

3. Can you give some examples?

Come on man, play nice here.



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LemonSlice on 19 October 2014

Unicorns. And lesbians. That's all you need to know.



WagnerPaiva on 19 October 2014
LemonSlice said:

Unicorns. And lesbians. That's all you need to know.


That is you answer to everything! =/



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Leadified on 19 October 2014

Religion: None
Earth age: Around 4.5 billion years or so.
Evolution or Creationism: Evolution
UFOs: Exactly as the name implies, it could be anything from a bird or a plane. Who knows.
Ghosts: Don't believe in them
Bible prophecy: Fiction
Dinosaurs: Non-avian dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago.

I am what you call: boring.



Nintentacle on 19 October 2014

Religion: Christian

Earth age: 6,000-12,000 (I'm not sure if the creation was 6 human days, or 6 of God days/6,000 years)

Evolution or Creationism: Both. Earth has a creator, but species do evolve in some way.

UFOs: Either government or demons.

Ghosts: Angels and/or Demons.

Bible prophecy: Truth.

Dinosaurs: Lived with man, and died off.



BraveNewWorld on 19 October 2014

Religion: I don't know. I'm but a man.

Earth age: A youthful 4.5 billion years of age

Evolution or Creationism: Evolution

UFOs: Certain cases defy explanation. Not necessarily extraterrestrial in nature.

Ghosts: No.

Bible prophecy: No.

Dinosaurs: Ruled the Earth for 135 million years.



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