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Of everything you could pick on, you accuse them of worshiping bread? Is that really the best you can do?

WagnerPaiva said:

No way, evolution is religion. Proof is fabricated and also cherry picked. Fossiles do not need millions of years to form, they can form in months. Carbon dating do not work cause the decay is not uniform. There was a Great Flood that formed the fossiles, the Grand Canyon and pretty much explains 99% of all answered questions of science.

Evolution is religion, it is a desesperate atempt to run away from the Creator, nothing else.

Evolutionists gather bones and create fairy tales, write thick books and people say it is science.

The changes in population are not evolution, no pigeon will turn into a eagle or a elephant. Mutants are not evolutions. A man born with three arms is not evolution, it is a variant. The environment can cause mutations? Sure, Hiroshima kids were born with no legs or eyes, but these are aberrations, not evolutions.

 

The only model that makes sense from a religious standpoint and a scientific standpoint is the "aged earth" model (which postulates that the earth was created with age). All other models, such as those stating that the earth was created 6000 years ago are scientifically impossible. As a rational person, you cannot say that all of science is wrong and fabricated, however the existence of science does not destroy religious beliefs.

Also, there are numerous dating methods that can be used. Carbon dating can really only be used reliably to date something around 40,000 years back, however there is also K/Ar dating, Ar/Ar dating, Paleomagnetism, and Relative Dating techniques for dating things on earth. Then there are also cosmological dating methods using a multitude of techniques to date the universe (as well as the earth and the sun). All methods unanimously deny the religious belief that the Earth/Universe is 6000 years old.

Additionally, the backbone of evolution is that numerous small changes result in large changes over time. We cannot really talk about this with modern humans, as we first of all exist over a very small time frame and second of all, have various means of eliminating large scale evolution. However, we have witnessed numerous times in which first of all, mutations have occured naturally creating a distinct change in something. On the smallest scale that would be bacteria which can evolve at alarming rates. On larger scales, we have recorded speciation in things such as dogs and birds etc. Why can these small changes not add up to large changes?

Looking at the fossil record, we also see a multitude of transitional states between paradigms, such as when fish began to leave the water (developing lungs and legs etc)

"The changes in population are not evolution":  That is, by definition, false. Evolution is simply change over time. All logic shows that small changes would add up to larger changes. Unfortunately, there are a multitude of misconceptions (and blind denial) which prevents people from seeing that.

Once again, science doesn't challenge your faith. I believe in god and evolution and neither threatens the other. If you choose to hold yourself in ignorance, that is your decision, but God gave us minds to think and explore and learn...is it not wrong to throw away those gifts and live in blindness?



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More exposings
Evolution Theory Proven Wrong: http://youtu.be/6HcN4v6Co9I

Anything and everything can be exposed. Fanboys everywhere exposing this and that.

Scientists exposing each others theories and beliefs, cats exposing dogs and vice versa. I don't think we will rest until we nuke the planet and all within it.



WagnerPaiva said:
Teeqoz said:

You're cherry picking. Truth is, the bible contains a ton of things, and some of them are bound to be true. In addition to that, the Bible is inconsistent, and often contradicts itself.

 

And the fact that you ignore evolution amases me. Evolution has been OBSERVED. Wether you choose to ignore that or not is your choice, but evolution is a fact.

No way, evolution is religion. Proof is fabricated and also cherry picked. Fossiles do not need millions of years to form, they can form in months. Carbon dating do not work cause the decay is not uniform. There was a Great Flood that formed the fossiles, the Grand Canyon and pretty much explains 99% of all answered questions of science.

Evolution is religion, it is a desesperate atempt to run away from the Creator, nothing else.

Evolutionists gather bones and create fairy tales, write thick books and people say it is science.

The changes in population are not evolution, no pigeon will turn into a eagle or a elephant. Mutants are not evolutions. A man born with three arms is not evolution, it is a variant. The environment can cause mutations? Sure, Hiroshima kids were born with no legs or eyes, but these are aberrations, not evolutions.


You know, there are a other ways to observe evolution,than just fossils. Take the banana flie as an example. Since they have a much shorter lifespan, their evolution is faster than ours, and thus we can observe it, literally. The same is true for bacteria. You don't need fossils.

 

A bacteria that suddenly develops resistancy towards anti-biotics. Is that not evolution? 

 

The great flood explains 99% of all answered questions in science? That's single largest piece of bullshit I've ever heard. The Grand Canyon was formed by the Great Flood? What? 

 

And Carbon dating does work, because tge isotope Carbon-14 does decay at a uniform pace.

 

I don't suppose you also think that earth was formed in 6 days, by god saying "let there be light" etc?

 

Evolusionists create fairy-tales? Oh the irony of that statement..



wait, so these other religions are disproven using the bible? SHocking! I wonder what the other religious texts say about the bible!



spurgeonryan said:
So what are you saying? Billions of people who are Catholics are going to Hell? is that what you have the nerve to be saying here?

Billions of people are going to Hell in many religions. "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."



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theprof00 said:
wait, so these other religions are disproven using the bible? SHocking! I wonder what the other religious texts say about the bible!

It's exposed by the Bible because It's supposed to be a sect of Christianity.



Aielyn said:
Nintentacle said:
 ...Atheism (I know It's not a religion, technically, but lack of belief is a belief!), except possibly the people who believe Darwinism.

Two quick things.

Lack of belief is not a belief. I don't believe in aliens, but that doesn't mean I believe there aren't aliens.

"Darwinism" isn't a belief, either. Given that Darwin's "theories" are scientific theories, backed by extensive evidence, and in fact weren't his theories to begin with (The Origin of Species wasn't a book putting forward a new idea, it was a cataloguing of evidence supporting an old idea - "evolution" had been around a fairly long time prior to Darwin), they are scientific fact, not belief.

1. If you don't believe in Aliens, it means you believe that there aren't aliens. It's different wording with the same meaning. If you say "I don't believe in God", It's the exact same thing as saying "I believe there is no God."

2. Darwin himself said Darwinian evolution wasn't proven.



DélioPT said:
The Host is Jesus just in another form. It wasn't Man who made it, but Jesus himself. The Host is as Holy as anything touched by God's sanctity.

From what i saw above, there's a little confusion to what the cult of saints - and even the devotion to Mary - actually means.
No one, but no one, sees a saint or mary as God. Mary and the saints have a special place in Catholicism: they intervein next to God in our favour. We pray to them for their intercession. That's all.
We don't see them as the source of the graces of God.

Our special devotion to mother is that of a mother who interveins to warn and save humanity. That's why there are so many apparitions with warnings and even miracles, by Mary.

Think of the first miracle as na exemple of the role Mary occupies in our lifes.

It says only God can see the hearts of people, and Jesus is the only intercession in Christianity. How can Roman Catholicism be a valid form of Christianity if they believe Saints can hear their prayers, and that they can make intercession?



BMaker11 said:

#1 Bold: No. Just no. Does lacking the understanding of calculus mean you understand calculus? Does a dog lacking the ability to see the color red mean it can see red? Does your laptop lacking internet in some remote area mean it has internet? No to all these? Then how is "lack of belief" a "belief"? Ever heard of the law of noncontradiction? "A" cannot be "Not A" in the same sense, at the same time. 

#2 Your OP and this whole series of posts you're making: you cannot "expose" any religion to people who believe it. It'll get spun away to make it seem like you're either "taking things out of context" or "you just don't understand since you don't believe it". Just look at a prior post, talking about it "all being predicted". The "facebook self loving generation and the lovers of pleasure". Oh wow, people are self centered and enjoy pleasurable things. Such a divine prediction, it must be holy. I predict right now that a war will happen in the future. Sure, there has always been war before hand (much like people being self centered and lovers of pleasure) but I'm predicting it, therefore I'm divine. See? That's stuff you can't sway from people who take that stuff seriously. Secondly, find anything "bad" in any religion in order to "expose" it and, again, it'll be spun away. It happened in your Islam thread (I know you've made a bunch, but that is the only other one I've seen) and it's happening here. Hell, people are even flat out saying that Catholicism isn't Christianity at all (I'd like to see what Catholics think about that)

Atheism is lack of belief in a God, therefore it is the belief that there is no God.

Roman Catholicism is technically Christianity (They believe Jesus is the Son of God), but they believe that works saves as well (Which is clearly untrue according to the same Christianity).

By the way, I think these would fit better descriptions of prophecy in the Bible:

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times." (Fulfilled 70 AD)

"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.  And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

"Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." (Fulfilled May 14, 1948)



Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah... isn't catholicism the original christianity?

Probably not. Lots of Catholics have Mary statues and pray to her (Not allowed according to the second of the 10 commandments).