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Aielyn said:
Nintentacle said:
 ...Atheism (I know It's not a religion, technically, but lack of belief is a belief!), except possibly the people who believe Darwinism.

Two quick things.

Lack of belief is not a belief. I don't believe in aliens, but that doesn't mean I believe there aren't aliens.

"Darwinism" isn't a belief, either. Given that Darwin's "theories" are scientific theories, backed by extensive evidence, and in fact weren't his theories to begin with (The Origin of Species wasn't a book putting forward a new idea, it was a cataloguing of evidence supporting an old idea - "evolution" had been around a fairly long time prior to Darwin), they are scientific fact, not belief.


Darwinism is a belief, it is based in the mistery religions gnosticism and, in a deeper inspection, is a refined form of the first lie Satan told: You can be as gods. Meaning, we can evolve, the creation is not perfect.

The same lie that caused our fall from grace in a repackaged form. Satan repackages it all the time: the new age (be like gods) movement, the evolutionism, tranhumanism, the tech singularity...

It is all the OLD lie. It worked once...



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WagnerPaiva said:
Aielyn said:
Nintentacle said:
 ...Atheism (I know It's not a religion, technically, but lack of belief is a belief!), except possibly the people who believe Darwinism.

Two quick things.

Lack of belief is not a belief. I don't believe in aliens, but that doesn't mean I believe there aren't aliens.

"Darwinism" isn't a belief, either. Given that Darwin's "theories" are scientific theories, backed by extensive evidence, and in fact weren't his theories to begin with (The Origin of Species wasn't a book putting forward a new idea, it was a cataloguing of evidence supporting an old idea - "evolution" had been around a fairly long time prior to Darwin), they are scientific fact, not belief.


Darwinism is a belief, it is based in the mistery religions gnosticism and, in a deeper inspection, is a refined form of the first lie Satan told: You can be as gods. Meaning, we can evolve, the creation is not perfect.

The same lie that caused our fall from grace in a repackaged form. Satan repackages it all the time: the new age (be like gods) movement, the evolutionism, tranhumanism, the tech singularity...

It is all the OLD lie. It worked once...

you have a dog? men created dogs, from wolves and we still creat new dogs...



dang this threads gonna turn into chaos :(



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The Host is Jesus just in another form. It wasn't Man who made it, but Jesus himself. The Host is as Holy as anything touched by God's sanctity.

From what i saw above, there's a little confusion to what the cult of saints - and even the devotion to Mary - actually means.
No one, but no one, sees a saint or mary as God. Mary and the saints have a special place in Catholicism: they intervein next to God in our favour. We pray to them for their intercession. That's all.
We don't see them as the source of the graces of God.

Our special devotion to mother is that of a mother who interveins to warn and save humanity. That's why there are so many apparitions with warnings and even miracles, by Mary.

Think of the first miracle as na exemple of the role Mary occupies in our lifes.



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generic-user-1 said:

I am Lutheran, so I know what you both mean.


far away in the us of a...  

in germany there are some saint like persons for Lutherans.  sames goes for nothern europe, they arnt used so much anymore because history is dirty, but they are there(and most of the time its a regional thing like gustaf adolf in nothern germany or friedrich the great in prussia. lutheran leaders that where speacily blessed by god, or had good genes, or were aliens or what ever)

Sure, those people were saints, meaning they were servants of the Lord. But the RCC believes they can do miracles even after death, like gods.

A servant of the Lord can be a saint, meaning, he serves the Lord in his life
But you do not pray for them, right? I mean, there were amaing prophets like Isaiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, amazing apostles like John, Mark, Paul and Peter. I pray for no one of them, but to God Almighty, with the gracious intercession of the Lord Jesus Christ.



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WagnerPaiva said:
Aielyn said:
Nintentacle said:
 ...Atheism (I know It's not a religion, technically, but lack of belief is a belief!), except possibly the people who believe Darwinism.

Two quick things.

Lack of belief is not a belief. I don't believe in aliens, but that doesn't mean I believe there aren't aliens.

"Darwinism" isn't a belief, either. Given that Darwin's "theories" are scientific theories, backed by extensive evidence, and in fact weren't his theories to begin with (The Origin of Species wasn't a book putting forward a new idea, it was a cataloguing of evidence supporting an old idea - "evolution" had been around a fairly long time prior to Darwin), they are scientific fact, not belief.


Darwinism is a belief, it is based in the mistery religions gnosticism and, in a deeper inspection, is a refined form of the first lie Satan told: You can be as gods. Meaning, we can evolve, the creation is not perfect.


"Darwinism" is not based in any religious idea. The Theory of Evolution is based around the same principles as any scientific theory , you can test a scientific theory, observation, reproducibility. If you do not believe in Evolution then you should also not believe in General Relativity, the Buoyancy Principle, The Laws of Thermodynamics, Netwon's Laws of Motion, The Theory of Gravity, and etc.

By the by, Daniel 4:10-11 implies the Earth is flat, therefore....?

I am also curious how evolution somehow allows a species to become "gods". We will always have limited knowledge as indiviuals, we will always be mortal and without tools humans don't even stand a chance against animals like wolves or bears. Evolution has been going on even since life has been on Earth, which is a few billion years, yet in that time there are still no godly species.



Ka-pi96 said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
dang this threads gonna turn into chaos :(

Hasn't it already?

nah i dont think its that bad right now



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Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

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Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

Ka-pi96 said:

Isn't being a god just a matter of perspective? There have been people who have fashioned themselves as gods already, and even some people that believed them.


Yeah that is true, although God or Gods as a whole have the traits of being divine, supernatural and more often than not immortal. So even people who were seen as Gods in human form such as the ancient Egyptians, Ceaser, the Japanese emperors, the kings and queens of Nepal, when they die in human form their soul still lives on in the form of various Gods, or they are reincarnated versions of gods like Vishnu.



Nintentacle said:
Ka-pi96 said:
So... is there going to be one of these threads for every religion now?

Not for a few branches of Christianity and probably none for Atheism (I know It's not a religion, technically, but lack of belief is a belief!), except possibly the people who believe Darwinism.

Lack of belief is not a belief.  Otherwise it would be agnostic as you need to acknowledge religion.  I for one dont acknowledge any religion to be anything other than a brainwash.  I dont believe this.  I know it.  Human compassion existed before any religion and that is the biggest thing any religion has in common in preaching. Those who play the atheism is kinda a religion card is mostly religious themselves. Seeing as you dont wanna do one for every branch in the christian faith i would assume you are a protestant.  Not neccesarily religius in the 'merican way but rather a' tradion religious person' that would rather actually think of yourself as an atheist even though you in truth arent. Your parents gave you a casual relation to it through only baptism, and the occasional holiday church attendance. You have through the last few years started becoming completely apathic towards religion which caused discussions with relatives as most of them seems more in belief than you.  You consider them entellectually inferior and even manipulated.  What bugs you the most about it is that you know more about both the christian faith than they do aswell as the others,  but your arguments fall flat. You therefore try to vent your frustration through here. It happened gradually during  the last 1-2 years and you have just now reached the fully clarified state of mind and feel confident enough about your knowledge of the atrocities Caused by religion. In a year or so you will stop 'exposing'  these atrocities all people have heard about a million times and realize you cant do anything because in the end people just dont care. You will never be able to convince the majority of people otherwise because for better or for worse people will need to find comfort in knowing that tragedies such as death is meaningfull. The end of ones existence is hard to accept so we seek vague ways to ensure we keep going. If animals had the intelligence to do it you could be certain they would have religion aswell.  Survival instinct doesnt just limit itself till we are in the ground... 

 

Was i even close?