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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - NPD: Xbox One physical copies of Destiny outsold PS4. (Not bundled or digital)

Zanten on 18 October 2014
DeadBigfoot21 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Teeqoz said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
Surprised since Sony had all the advantages over microsoft. Physical all the way!


Sony sold more physical as well. See post above. It's just that NPD doesn't count bundles.

I guess someone didn't understand my initial post. Having a bundle is an advantage!

It seems you misunderstood his. No one denied bundles = advantage. No shit. Point is, you say "physical all the way", as if it did some real work. The PS4 version is ahead in all major territories. The X1 physical copies sold a mere 75K more, in the US, if we exclude everything else.

What does the title say?????

This thread is clearly to discuss the physical copies and not digital. If the title said " digital" I would agree but it isn't the case. 

Stay on topic next time.


Weeeell, the title also said it didn't include bundles. And then you went and brought up bundles.

Now, I'm not saying that you're not practicing what you preach, but... Um... No, come to think of it, that more or less sums up what I'm saying. o.o



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DeadBigfoot21 on 18 October 2014
CGI-Quality said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I'm actually very on topic, since it is about physical Destiny copies sold (which I discussed). In fact, you brought up bundles (off-topic, yeah?), and I also included that in our little chat.

You should, at least, attempt to tackle what I said, or my assumption that you have no argument is dead on. 

Yes I said physical all the way because the Xbox version outsold the physical version of ps4 in the US. Then you came along (like always) and spin around what I said. 

I said physical all the way because Xbox sold more on physical despite all the advantages Sony had. Ex: exclusive dlc/ exclusive marketing rights.

/the end

Spin? Deary me! What I gave you was fact. You act like what you said wasn't considered. It was. All it does it state an obvious, however, while ignoring many other factors (as I, and others, have told you).

It seems to me that you do ignore anything I say or push it aside and act like you are always correct.....I stated a fact as well but I guess you don't see it. I can repeat it if you would like:

Xbox physical version sold more in the US than the ps4 version! Then I said: physical all the way! Even despite the exclusive marketing/dlc. 



Robbie2010 on 18 October 2014
DeadBigfoot21 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DeadBigfoot21 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I'm actually very on topic, since it is about physical Destiny copies sold (which I discussed). In fact, you brought up bundles (off-topic, yeah?), and I also included that in our little chat.

You should, at least, attempt to tackle what I said, or my assumption that you have no argument is dead on. 

Yes I said physical all the way because the Xbox version outsold the physical version of ps4 in the US. Then you came along (like always) and spin around what I said. 

I said physical all the way because Xbox sold more on physical despite all the advantages Sony had. Ex: exclusive dlc/ exclusive marketing rights.

/the end

Spin? Deary me! What I gave you was fact. You act like what you said wasn't considered. It was. All it does it state an obvious, however, while ignoring many other factors (as I, and others, have told you).

It seems to me that you do ignore anything I say or push it aside and act like you are always correct.....I stated a fact as well but I guess you don't see it. I can repeat it if you would like:

Xbox physical version sold more in the US than the ps4 version! Then I said: physical all the way! Even despite the exclusive marketing/dlc. 

You seem to fail to comprehend that the PS4 bundle came with a PHYSICAL copy of the game and if you include bundles that have a PHYSICAL copy then PS4 sold more PHYSICAL copies.



Burek on 18 October 2014

So, to recap it all:
If we count physical XOne copies that were given away for free, but exclude physical PS4 copies that people actually had to pay for even when buying a console at full price, XOne version managed to barely outsell the PS4 version by about 2%.

A smashing victory, I must admit!!!



NightDragon83 on 18 October 2014
Aura7541 said:
NightDragon83 said:
Aura7541 said:
There are a few things that factor into this:

1.) The X1 userbase has a higher proportion of shooter fans since it is more of a dudebro console and heavily advertised as such. The PS4 userbase is not as shooter centric.

-SNIP-

You can't just look at the Top 10 games. If you expand that list, the Xbox brand is clearly more dudebro, especially when you take sales of non-shooters like Tales of Vesperia and The Lost Odyssey into account. The 360 userbase just did not care about JRPGs or any other genre that is not action, shooter, or sports oriented. Meanwhile, IPs like LittleBigPlanet, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo, and Journey sold really well on the PS3. This leads to another problem to your argument in that dudebro is an umbrella term for shooters, action, and sports. You've limited your analysis to just shooters which are only part of the dudebro definition.

You have also missed the second part of my point: the X1 being advertised as a dudebro console. The X1 is getting a Sunset Overdrive and COD:AW bundle later this season. It is also being heavily advertised as the "official console of the NFL" during football games. I just don't see as much diversity on the X1 as I see from the PS4. Meanwhile, the PS4 will be getting LittleBigPlanet 3 and Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- later this year.

The last point I should make is that there can be more dudebro gamers on the PS4 while a higher proportion of the X1 userbase be dudebro. After all, the PS4 is outselling the X1 by a huge margin. For instance, the PS4 is selling roughly twice as much, so 50% of the PS4 userbase equals 100% of the X1 userbase. Even if the PS4 userbase may have more dudebro gamers, its library will also be covering other genres such as platformers, western and Japanese RPGs, fighters, open-world, and sandbox because PS4 gamers are also interested on those kinds of games.

Wow,I honestly can't believe what I just read.  Really, the 360/X1 userbase isn't big on platformers, WRPGs, fighters, racing, open world, and sandbox games?  You're joking, right?  The dozens of LEGO games, Oblivion/Skyrim/Fallout, Street Fighter / Mortal Kombat, Forza series / Burnout / NFS etc, GTA / RDR / Crackdown / Saints Row, games that have all solds millions of copies on the 360, in many cases more so than the PS3 versions, all say hi.  You don't see as much diversity on Xbox consoles because you CHOOSE not to see it. 

JRPGs are the ONLY genre that 360 users don't care about, and that's because, quite frankly, the selection of JRPGs completely blew this past gen.  Why should 360 gamers run out and buy the latest FF with a roman numeral slapped onto it when the selection of AAA WRPGs by comparison is top notch?  You've got Little Big Planet?  That's nice... the 360 had a little game called Minecraft, only the best selling indie game of all time so you may have heard of it.  How many copies did LBP sell again?  And X1 has Little Big Plan-It, aka Project Spark.  I'm sure it'll be a bomb and no one will buy it tho, seeing as how Xbox gamers only buy shooters / dude bro games

Action and sports games are also "dude-bro" games too?   I guess Madden, FIFA, NBA2K, UFC ect don't sell on Sony consoles, and Uncharted / The Last Of Us / God of War etc are totally not "dude-bro" action games.  Funny thing is you call out Sunset Overdrive on X1... ummm who makes that game again?  Oh right, Insomniac... who also make Ratchet & Clank, a hybrid platform / action game known for its over the top weapons and 'splosions gameplay and off color humor, and Resistance, which is, surprise surprise, yet another dude-bro FPS title.

But you're right about one thing, only the 360 / X1 has dude-bro bundles like Titanfall / COD / Madden / Sunset Overdrive.  I mean you don't see the PS3 / PS4 being packaged with exclusive bundles for mega dude-bro games and marketed as the lead platform for said games...

Wait, what's this...

Ohhhhhh...

Ohhh noooooo......

What, AGAIN?!?

And this is all just over the past generation... go back to the PS1 and PS2 days.  No "dude-bro" games there I'm sure... well, as long as you don't count all the Tony Hawk / Xtreme sports games, Twisted Metal series, NFL Blitz, WWF/WCW wrestling games, the Medal of Honor series (or as I call it, the o.g. COD), and Tomb Raider (really, how much more "dude-bro" does a game get than one that stars a chick with big guns and even bigger tits???)  And we didn't even mention a little game called Grand Theft Auto III, another penultimate dude-bro game that single-handedly won the generation for Sony.

And with tons more FPS / action / sports games on the way, seems to me like PlayStation will once again be the lead platform for dude-bro games this gen, and 3/4 generatons overall.  Have fun with that.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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ethomaz on 18 October 2014

An interesting info is that even with the most Bungie fans being on Xbone due Halo the attach rate is the same... ~25% of the PS4 and Xbone users bought the game in Sep US.

PS4: 1,125k
Xbobe: 875k

* estimates based in 2,5m retail sold



bubblegamer on 18 October 2014

The games in the bundle were the physical edition. So technically the PS4 version sold much more. Really impressive considering Bungie fans were exclusively on Xbox all these years.



Captain_Tom on 18 October 2014
cpg716 said:

Yes.. I know..  Digital copies and bundles are not included.  But I was still very suprised about this!   This was pushed as a better on PS4 title..  All the advertising only said PS4..  so I am still surprised that it outsold ...   Yes.. with Digitial and PS4 Destiny bundles we know PS4 sold more copies of the game.. but still..  

 

 


LOL they were given away free so they might has well have been bundled.



bubblegamer on 18 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
bubblegamer said:

The games in the bundle were the physical edition. So technically the PS4 version sold much more. Really impressive considering Bungie fans were exclusively on Xbox all these years.

Don't forget people that were multi console owners last gen...

True, but there is no denying Bungie fans were on Xbox since the first Halo. That would have made those people prefer the Xbox platform over a competing one. So PS4 being able to sell more means they've converted quite a lot of those fans.



Aura7541 on 18 October 2014

NightDragon83 said:

-SNIP-

Woah there buddy.... shift to reverse and eeeaassse back on the overexaggeration.

Look, it's fine to disagree with my points, but your last reply was basically just a longer version of the one before. If you don't have anything else to share, then don't bother. This will be the last time I'll be replying to you since you're acting a bit knee-jerky and belligerent.

Here's some of my additional points in order to actually continue this discussion. A huge chunk of the PS4 userbase came from former Wii and 360-only gamers (approximately 1/3). This fraction of the userbase basically represents the "swing" gamer, the people who don't have a peronal preference for one console over another and go for the better deal. In this case, the PS4 is the better deal and therefore, they buy games for the PS4, which will include FIFA, COD, Assassin's Creed, etc. This is why it appears that the PS4 is more dudebro, but considering how dedicated the X1 userbase is, its userbase is still more dudebro when it comes to attachment rate. Here's a more realistic example. X1 userbase is at 6 million while PS4 userbase is at 12 million. A multiplat shooter sells 3 million for each system. Attachment rate will be twice as high on the X1.

Uncharted, The Last of Us, and God of War aren't dudebro despite their genres. Uncharted and The Last of Us are technically TPS's, but core of these games aren't the shooting and multiplayer . These two IPs emphasize way, way more on storytelling. In addition, The Last of Us isn't a run-and-gun type of game because of the limited resources you have. Actually, you can go through the game without killing anyone if you're stealthy enough. God of War also emphasizes a lot on plot and represents a different genre: hack n' slash. Not only that, the PS3 had other non-dudebro exclusives like Flower, Journey, Valkyria Chronicles, Metal Gear Solid 4 (again, it's a TPS, but emphasizes a lot more on plot), the Atelier games, Drakengard 3, Disagaea 3 & 4, Ratchet and Clank, Tales of Graces F, Tales of Xillia 1 & 2, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, and LittleBigPlanet 1 & 2 (the numerical games sold well. It was only Karting that didn't sell well). You can list all the multiplats of last gen all you want, but the PS3 had those plus all these exclusives.

And if you still don't agree, that's fine, but look at the E3, Gamescom, and TGS. Look at what Sony will be offering in comparison to the X1. Minecraft is on the PS4, so I don't know why you even mentioned that. Forza Horizon 2 did not reach the Top 10 Software list in NPD (September NPD went up to Oct. 4 and FH2 was released on Sept. 30), which is very disappointing considering how well it was received. I have heard nothing from Project Spark since forever, which is a darn shame and a big mistake in MS's part. Scalebound and Phantom Dust will definitely help the X1 look less dudebro-ish, but it is not enough. Meanwhile, the PS4 will be having games like N++, Wild, The Tomorrow Children, Rime, Shadow of the Beast, Without Memory, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, No Man's Sky, Dragon Quest Heroes, The Witness, God Eater 2, Persona5, Ys, Disgaea 5, Gran Turismo 7, Uncharted 4, Bloodborne, The Order: 1886, Ratchet and Clank Redux, Guilty Gears Xrd -SIGN-, and more. And most of Sony's 1st parties haven't even announced their new projects yet!! This is what I mean as diversity. Games that provide unique experiences through various means whether it be plot, art style, innovative mechanics, or thematic messages.

I don't see that much diversity on the Xbox brand not because I choose not to see it, it is because it is incredibly paltry in comparison to what the Playstation platforms offer and will be offering down the line. And looking at the X1's current situation, it's going to get worse. MS can try to diversify the X1's library, but will the userbase care about the non-shooters/action/sports games? I highly doubt it. The X1 has a major image problem that needs to be rectified and rectified fast.

TLDR: This guy basically nails it and says some of my points (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKGm-OFceoU )