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mii-gamer said:
Sony software support is piss poor. I don't even know what there next big title for the vita is


Freedom Wars?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
VanceIX said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

That's the problem with comparing PSP and Vita though. The prior didn't have to compete with smartphones.

The Vita had to compete against 500~million smartphones that had been shipped that year from the starting gate.

http://mobiforge.com/research-analysis/2011-handset-and-smartphone-sales-statistics-worldwide-big-picture?mT

If we're starting from the release of the Iphone, thats a 4 year head start as well. That essentially renders the disparity of support between the two as virtually insignificant. Not to mention that the PSP was released in the lifetime of the PS2 vs the Vita being released in the lifetime of the PS3. I don't see how its even possible to consider how Sony could support the Vita to the level of the PSP considering the difference in circumstances.

The argument that the Vita competing agasinst smartphones has nothing to do with support. So, the Vita had much stiffer competition, so Sony allowed it to roll over and die?

The Wii U was doing arguably worse than the Vita, and Nintendo managed to salvage it through steady quality software, something Sony didn't bother with. Sony was/is more interested in bringing software to the PS3/PS4 exclusively, and while that may be where the money is, it was a slap in the face to the millions of Vita owners. Sony promised us great games, and then left us stranded when the competition got fierce. 

The 3DS had to deal with intense competition as well, and now look where it is. It is doing fine on its own.

Salvage it? Wii U pratically had the same number of releases this year as it did, it was only thanks to MK8 that it was pulled up. A game that has no equivalent on the Vita. And if the Wii U was doing worse than the Vita in its free year on the market, then really I don't see how Nintendo supported it more.

The 3DS is a terrible place for a handheld if we were to compare it to its predeccessors. I mean part of the reason 3DS could share so many games with its home bretheren was cause the Wii was in a good place. The PS3 was not in a good place. And considering how the 3DS is affecting the Wii U, suggesting that Sony treat the Vita like Nintendo treated the 3DS as the expense of the PS3 is insanity. Especially for at what best amounts to a sub 50 million handheld consumer base. Realistically, 23 million considering the preportion of the NDS and 3DS. Wii U level peformance on a system as costly as the PS3 is more than enough to eliminate PlayStation at best and flat out bankrupt the company at worst. But that is all besides the point.

 

I admit, I haven't owned a handheld gaming device since the GBASP, so I'm not as informed but, really I can't see how anything other than comparing the levels of support between the years of the vita's launch can provide any valid comparision on what we determine as adequacy of support.

So why in the world do you feel the need to make a post on a topic that you have almost no clue about? I own TWO Vitas, and the first-party library from Sony is absolutely pathetic.

The only game of import this entire year has been Freedom Wars, which isn't even out yet. Nothing else has been remotely interesting from Sony, other than some half-assed ports like Borderlands 2 that they didn't even develop.

You don't see how Nintendo supported the Wii U more? Well, just look at the sales. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros Wii U, Bayonetta 2 (codeveloped by Nintendo), and Hyrule Warriors alone this year have been better than anything Sony has offered on the Vita, not to mention Xenoblade X, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Yoshi's Whooly World, and Zelda U making their way here in 2015. What does Sony have for the Vita? A Gravity Rush sequel that will undoubtedly be a PS4 definitive title?

Get real. Sony has abandoned the Vita, and left all its fans out to burn. It is a sickening thing, and encouraging it by making excuses for Sony just hurts the industry. 

You don't even have a Vita, which is why I'm not sure I can take your argument seriously. How would you feel if The PS4 and Xbox One switched places in sales, but instead of releasing new games like Microsoft is to keep it in contention, Sony just gave up on it and looked to its next big thing? That's what they did with the Vita. A lot of us paid $250+ on the console, plus memory card expenses and PS+, only for Sont to abandon it 2 years in.

It vehemently disgusting.



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Vita has plenty games currently out and upcoming. Yeah Sony isn't pushing in terms of advertisement anymore but it makes business sense when its not selling gangbusters and the PS4 is doing great.



When we saw Sony at E3 2012 mention COD and AC:L on stage they were pushing for third parties and promised that more big games were coming. At E3 2013 Sony focused on the PS4 and huge passes were given for Sony not showing anything for their handheld. At E3 2014, not even a fart about Vita, but you can now buy this thing called Playstation TV and it plays some of our handheld games. You could see somewhere around 2012 and 2013 that the Vita was doing bad, but after a huge launch of games that ranged from very good to crap, a very bad first holiday, and the fact that Sony wanted to put their streaming service to use, it would be hard not to see that Sony didn't want to be in the handheld market even with all the hype beforehand.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/10/22/the-playstation-vita-is-set-to-succeed

I am sure many people like the Vita, it's just that Sony never made it worth its price.



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Megaoverlord12 said:
3DS had a ton of support, and it's going against the exact same competition as the Vita.


Precisely.

 

And honestly, I've never bougth this notion that smartphones are really "competition" for handheld gaming platforms. Actual gamers are always going to prefer actual game consoles, not smartphones with zero buttons and (more of than not) lack-luster, watered down gaming experiences.

IE there's always going to be market for actual video games, so long as actual gamers who prefer actual video games continue to exist, and continue to prefer games on consoles.



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VanceIX said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
VanceIX said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

That's the problem with comparing PSP and Vita though. The prior didn't have to compete with smartphones.

The Vita had to compete against 500~million smartphones that had been shipped that year from the starting gate.

http://mobiforge.com/research-analysis/2011-handset-and-smartphone-sales-statistics-worldwide-big-picture?mT

If we're starting from the release of the Iphone, thats a 4 year head start as well. That essentially renders the disparity of support between the two as virtually insignificant. Not to mention that the PSP was released in the lifetime of the PS2 vs the Vita being released in the lifetime of the PS3. I don't see how its even possible to consider how Sony could support the Vita to the level of the PSP considering the difference in circumstances.

The argument that the Vita competing agasinst smartphones has nothing to do with support. So, the Vita had much stiffer competition, so Sony allowed it to roll over and die?

The Wii U was doing arguably worse than the Vita, and Nintendo managed to salvage it through steady quality software, something Sony didn't bother with. Sony was/is more interested in bringing software to the PS3/PS4 exclusively, and while that may be where the money is, it was a slap in the face to the millions of Vita owners. Sony promised us great games, and then left us stranded when the competition got fierce. 

The 3DS had to deal with intense competition as well, and now look where it is. It is doing fine on its own.

Salvage it? Wii U pratically had the same number of releases this year as it did, it was only thanks to MK8 that it was pulled up. A game that has no equivalent on the Vita. And if the Wii U was doing worse than the Vita in its free year on the market, then really I don't see how Nintendo supported it more.

The 3DS is a terrible place for a handheld if we were to compare it to its predeccessors. I mean part of the reason 3DS could share so many games with its home bretheren was cause the Wii was in a good place. The PS3 was not in a good place. And considering how the 3DS is affecting the Wii U, suggesting that Sony treat the Vita like Nintendo treated the 3DS as the expense of the PS3 is insanity. Especially for at what best amounts to a sub 50 million handheld consumer base. Realistically, 23 million considering the preportion of the NDS and 3DS. Wii U level peformance on a system as costly as the PS3 is more than enough to eliminate PlayStation at best and flat out bankrupt the company at worst. But that is all besides the point.

 

I admit, I haven't owned a handheld gaming device since the GBASP, so I'm not as informed but, really I can't see how anything other than comparing the levels of support between the years of the vita's launch can provide any valid comparision on what we determine as adequacy of support.

So why in the world do you feel the need to make a post on a topic that you have almost no clue about? I own TWO Vitas, and the first-party library from Sony is absolutely pathetic.

The only game of import this entire year has been Freedom Wars, which isn't even out yet. Nothing else has been remotely interesting from Sony, other than some half-assed ports like Borderlands 2 that they didn't even develop.

You don't see how Nintendo supported the Wii U more? Well, just look at the sales. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros Wii U, Bayonetta 2 (codeveloped by Nintendo), and Hyrule Warriors alone this year have been better than anything Sony has offered on the Vita, not to mention Xenoblade X, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Yoshi's Whooly World, and Zelda U making their way here in 2015. What does Sony have for the Vita? A Gravity Rush sequel that will undoubtedly be a PS4 definitive title?

Get real. Sony has abandoned the Vita, and left all its fans out to burn. It is a sickening thing, and encouraging it by making excuses for Sony just hurts the industry. 

You don't even have a Vita, which is why I'm not sure I can take your argument seriously. How would you feel if The PS4 and Xbox One switched places in sales, but instead of releasing new games like Microsoft is to keep it in contention, Sony just gave up on it and looked to its next big thing? That's what they did with the Vita. A lot of us paid $250+ on the console, plus memory card expenses and PS+, only for Sont to abandon it 2 years in.

It vehemently disgusting.

One of the BIGGER reasons why I think the Vita was a big failure was because it wasn't backwards compatible with the PSP.

Although most PS systems aren't backwards compatible, it is considerably the norm for Handheld gaming devices (bar set that high by Nintendo, unforturently).

I mean even if the Vita had a drought in games, at least Sony could advocate their extensive library they had with the PSP can also be played on the Vita as well. Many Wii U users bought and have the Wii just because of its backwards compatibility with the Wii (and MANY play the Wii games more than the Wii U games)! Again another selling point they didn't capitalize in.

I know you can d/l PSP games on the Vita, but it's just not the same (the consumers who own physical PSP games greatly outnumber the ones who own Digital PSP games, hence why the PSP GO flopped as well). And not ALL PSP games are available for DL.

Lots of DS owners switched to the 3DS I bet when they found out their old beloved games or the games they missed out on could be played on the new handheld as well. I know that's one of the reasons why I bought one.

If you ask me, it's like they SERIOUSLY underminded the 80+ million fanbase they built with the PSP by omitting the games from the past generation into their new handheld. Seriously I rather buy a PSP than a Vita, sad thing is that I will... :-/. It's also like Sony abandoned it from the start with a move like this...



The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Sony doesn't know how to treat a failure that can't be retreived.


You would think, that they would by now. Over the years Sony has released, and dropped many formats, Betamax, U-Matic, L-cassette, R-DAT, 8mm, etc,etc,etc.

They just drop them, leaving all those who bought one, left holding the bag. And That was when they were making big profits, unlike now.

I didn't buy a PS1 because, I did not think that Sony, was in it for the long haul. (silly me)

What I did not know, was that the third parties, were very pissed at Nintendo, due to how they were treated(might explain why many never came back). Also first party games always sold the best on Sega and Nintendo consoles, and since Sony really didn't have much of a gaming division, their new system was wide open, which was perfect for the third parties.

Sorry to hear about the Vista, have as much fun as you can with it, while it's a going concern.



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The simple reason the Vita failed is because there was virtually no market demand for it. Sony created gaming handhelds purely out of hubris and the Vita's slow death is the end result.



deadeyye said:
mymuro said:
Did sony ever support it outside Japan?


Yes, they did. They put their best brands - Uncharted, Killzone, Little Big Planet, and went to create new brands - like Tearaway and Gravity Rush. Overall i think they made more than 5 high budget games, even though they never got the sales to justify those. They were only made to push console, even when they were mostly financial failures. But Sony coudn't spend money without limit, if it didn't help vita to grow anyway. 

Wii U has much better software sales than Vita.

Good point. That's probably key.



VanceIX said:

So why in the world do you feel the need to make a post on a topic that you have almost no clue about? I own TWO Vitas, and the first-party library from Sony is absolutely pathetic.

The only game of import this entire year has been Freedom Wars, which isn't even out yet. Nothing else has been remotely interesting from Sony, other than some half-assed ports like Borderlands 2 that they didn't even develop.

You don't see how Nintendo supported the Wii U more? Well, just look at the sales. Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros Wii U, Bayonetta 2 (codeveloped by Nintendo), and Hyrule Warriors alone this year have been better than anything Sony has offered on the Vita, not to mention Xenoblade X, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario Maker, Splatoon, Yoshi's Whooly World, and Zelda U making their way here in 2015. What does Sony have for the Vita? A Gravity Rush sequel that will undoubtedly be a PS4 definitive title?

Get real. Sony has abandoned the Vita, and left all its fans out to burn. It is a sickening thing, and encouraging it by making excuses for Sony just hurts the industry. 

You don't even have a Vita, which is why I'm not sure I can take your argument seriously. How would you feel if The PS4 and Xbox One switched places in sales, but instead of releasing new games like Microsoft is to keep it in contention, Sony just gave up on it and looked to its next big thing? That's what they did with the Vita. A lot of us paid $250+ on the console, plus memory card expenses and PS+, only for Sont to abandon it 2 years in.

It vehemently disgusting.

On the contrary, since I don't have a handheld, personal feelings don't cloud my judgement.

Saying the Vita has no support is an exaggeration, not having a Vita I can cleary see its still getting support.

Whether or not you like the support, and are representative of every Vita fan is irrelevant to me, because that is your subjective opinion.

Furthermore, I'm not looking at this year alone, like you seem to be.  Wii U basically stagnated for a year, getting ports of last gen games that we're basically no different. To me that is clear abandonment. 

Thats why I'm limiting it to the Vita. Show me that Vita software support has declined overall. Because Vita is still getting hardware support, its been remodeled twice, with the Vita TV releasing this month, and the version 3.35 patch its recieving. Sony has mention Vita at every conference they mention PS4, with new games coming out for it.

This narrative of Vita abandonment describes it as Sony pretending it doesn't exist. The main concern I here from people saying the Vita doesn't get support is that they want support that Nintendo gives its platforms. Completely ignoring the facts that Sony's main focus has always been on the home consoles, PS3 was definetly struggling, Sony is Not a Game Developer like Nintendo, and Sony depends on 3rd parties a lot more than Nintendo.

PS Vita's poor sales, especially in America was definetly a result of price, but it also made it a pariah in the eyes of 3rd party like the Wii U. Meanwhile, its a joke to compare the Wii U's support from Nintendo to Sony's of the Vita when they aren't even the same type of company, and Sony is supporting 2 active home consoles as opposed to 1 active handheld that has always dominated the industry and gets 3rd party support by default



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