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Is Bayonetta 2 sexist?

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lol I dunno, i mean, normally if the game were too sexy I would say yeah...something maybe like x-blades which was released on ps3 and 360. Wasn't a very good game, but definitel a lot of fanservice. I feel like the difference here is that bayo is not unlike a god. I feel like if I were in the same position, I'd probably be super slick too, and burst into my undies while I ended some powerful otherworldly creature.
It's actually one of my problems with modern vampire genre. I don't feel like people who have lived so long would act the way they do in movies. If you were powerful and ancient, you would be much more interesting.



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Hamister said:
The fact that lots of girls and young women either feel uncomfortable with sexploitation, or even become victims of it, is enough for me to take a stand against Bayonetta 2. It's not what the game does to me, it's what sexism as a phenomenon tend to do to some people. I've seen teenage girls cut their wrist because they feel inferior in our sexual oriented world. I've seen girls nearly starve themselves to death in their quest to reach a sexual ideal only possible thanks to computergenerated graphics. Bayonetta 2 is unfortunately part of that. It's sad that such a great game experience has to rely on sexism. That's the downside of the market driven world of today.
Great game though! :)

so looking good and show it is sexist if a women does it?   so why not set laws in place to stop it? we need burqas as only allowed kind of dress for women so nobody feels bad about himself...

its not my fault if some stupid chicks think they need to look like a Videogame character to feel good, and its not the fault of good looking thin women. its their OWN fault(and their parents). there is no secret police that forces you to get thin like a skeleton.

and there is no reason for a women to starve, get help early if u think just uberthin girls are sexy.  

p.s.

Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round



Well the game is an anthem to sex, but definitely not an anthem to sexism, since males as well as females are not degraded and bayonetta is in a way the perfect example of a strong independent women who kicks ass without degrading men like Disney does. She's a bit vulgar but nobody's perfect.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Not sexist. I mean judging from the Demo at least. Is she sexy? Yes. Is it a bit tacky? Sure, but Bayonetta strikes me as a very empowered, sexy, and delightfully tacky protagonist. I think even to ask the question gives some merit to the neo-feminist crazies that are coming out of the woodwork in nerd culture



I wish more women would express their freedom







On these nuts!



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pokoko said:
I don't know if I would call it sexist but it certainly uses sex to sell copies. Now, I don't actually have a problem with that, as I think people go crazy with what "sexist" means, but please don't throw words like "liberated" in there as a counter. Bayonetta is as much about sex as a selling tool as any of those other Japanese games people attack so often. Trying to rationalize that away because you like the game changes nothing. She doesn't do stripper moves or torture angels because she's secure in her femininity, she does it because the creators thought it was sexy and that it would attract guys.

You're confusing in-game character with marketing.

The game uses sex to advertise itself. And there's nothing wrong with that.

But Bayonetta isn't sexist, because it's not portraying a character subservient to the will of men or whose sexuality is shackled, it portrays a strog, confident and empowered woman who kicks arse and takes names.



bubblegamer said:

 Women who show their private parts as the main attraction are liberated. I know the japanese culture well and so i know it's normal there, but don't act like this is how it should be.

Why not? What's wrong with women being sexually empowered?



The sexuality in Bayonetta is super in your face. It's not some tiny little background quality of the game, whether it is sexist or not (I think it's totally not sexist and actually pretty empowered spare a couple moments I've seen. In no way does Bayonetta pigeonhole women into a stereotype nor implicate them as inferior. And it passes the Bechdel test with flying colors. She is her own moral agent with concerns other than men, is very powerful, and when a moment gets serious the camera gets some distance and respects her more than in the indulgent action sequences. She's not only titillation.).

But this indulgent sexuality is definitely going to turn some people away! It's a quality of the game and the reviewer has every right to be offput by it as a legitimate criticism!

Games are NOT just a set of mechanics to be viewed in a vacuum.

The only danger I find is that, if you choose to view Bayonetta as a puppet rather than a character whose role you are playing, it could seem that you are exploiting her and if you have low mental capacity you might extrapolate that expectation into relations with women in the real world. But I think that's on you.



it uses sex to sell itself, a character created by mostly men, targeted to a mostly male audience with its fan service.

That is what it is. Characters can still be good, even if they're prancing around nude, or in their panties, or boxers.

do I have a problem with that? No not at all. I think, people get too caught into semantic arguments about what their interpretation of what sexism is.



I'm definitely wearing a condom while I play this game