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se7en7thre3 on 11 October 2014
zorg1000 said:
se7en7thre3 said:

Weak HW and online experience affects the 3rd parties/crowd , and with those relations not improving anytime soon, Ninty is forced to support itself with the Fusion idea.  

Fusion will basically be a perfected, slightly more powerful Vita + PS4, with the priorities reversed.  Ninty's next console won't be crippled by an expensive gamepad, b/c that is what the handheld is for.  The console will be sold with a reg. controller, and also an sku without any controller.  

 Freedom phab (HH) - $199 

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ya thats pretty much exactly how i see it except i dont think the console will be more powerful than PS4, im thinking a bit more powerful than Wii U similar to the gap between GC & Wii.

Since Iwata said they want to "absorb" the architecture of Wii U for future devices i think it will have similar hardware as Wii U but a fadter CPU and double the RAM.

basically the fusion handheld will essentially be a somewhat downgraded Wii U in specs and the console will be a somewhat upgraded Wii U. this way they can share the same library just with a different resolution/frame rate between devices.

My thinking is Nintendo will aim for a true 1080p system (slightly better than PS4), while MS & Sony gear up for 4k gaming in '18 or '19.  With the unified approach, it may attract 3rd parties (un)intentionally.  It would be a very well rounded console.

But I can see your reasoning as well.  Its possible that the Fusion home dock will be a  discreet little box, in fact, just as you suggested slightly above Wii U.  Like the GCN that didn't sell too well, Ninty ended up just barely boosting their chips for Wii.  So the Wii U's commercial failure could make  Ninty simply remix their old tech.  



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mcronesixteen on 11 October 2014

I'm guessing like 1.3x or so more powerful than the Vita



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zorg1000 on 11 October 2014
se7en7thre3 said:
zorg1000 said:
se7en7thre3 said:

Weak HW and online experience affects the 3rd parties/crowd , and with those relations not improving anytime soon, Ninty is forced to support itself with the Fusion idea.  

Fusion will basically be a perfected, slightly more powerful Vita + PS4, with the priorities reversed.  Ninty's next console won't be crippled by an expensive gamepad, b/c that is what the handheld is for.  The console will be sold with a reg. controller, and also an sku without any controller.  

 Freedom phab (HH) - $199 

U-nity (console) - $199

coming April 2017

ya thats pretty much exactly how i see it except i dont think the console will be more powerful than PS4, im thinking a bit more powerful than Wii U similar to the gap between GC & Wii.

Since Iwata said they want to "absorb" the architecture of Wii U for future devices i think it will have similar hardware as Wii U but a fadter CPU and double the RAM.

basically the fusion handheld will essentially be a somewhat downgraded Wii U in specs and the console will be a somewhat upgraded Wii U. this way they can share the same library just with a different resolution/frame rate between devices.

My thinking is Nintendo will aim for a true 1080p system (slightly better than PS4), while MS & Sony gear up for 4k gaming in '18 or '19.  With the unified approach, it may attract 3rd parties (un)intentionally.  It would be a very well rounded console.

But I can see your reasoning as well.  Its possible that the Fusion home dock will be a  discreet little box, in fact, just as you suggested slightly above Wii U.  Like the GCN that didn't sell too well, Ninty ended up just barely boosting their chips for Wii.  So the Wii U's commercial failure could make  Ninty simply remix their old tech.  

the only problem i see with making a console slightly more powerful than PS4 is that it likely wont be $199 even if released in 2017, $299 is probably what they would have to sell it for.



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MikeRox on 11 October 2014
zorg1000 said:

the only problem i see with making a console slightly more powerful than PS4 is that it likely wont be $199 even if released in 2017, $299 is probably what they would have to sell it for.


You'd think that, but I'm sure they can bunny hop of the advancements mobile chips are currently making.

The Vita was cutting edge state of the art mobile hardware when it launched. The only reason it still holds it's own is because it's specific hardware architechture that software is optimised for. Imagine by 2016 what power is going to be in generic mid tier mobile CPU and GPUs. We're going to be well past 7th gen standard at that point.



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curl-6 on 11 October 2014
Teeqoz said:
the_dengle said:
Teeqoz said:

Has he said that it'll sell one fourth of the 3DS? I still honestly suspects that it'll decrease (the handheldmarket), however, I think the 3DS succesor will sell not too much less than the 3ds since they'll also get the little niche that Sony has with the Vita which will, believe it or not, negate a bit of the loss ninty will experience (sales wise).

the only thing here that's directed at you dengle is the first question The rest is just me thinking out loud.

He said "I expect it to suffer the same fate as the Vita," which I interpreted as similar sales, and he did not correct me.


Ah okay. I think that's awfully pessimistic.

Perhaps, I just expect the dedicated handheld market to continue to shrink as it has for the last few years under the assault of more affordable phone/tablet gaming. 3DS/Vita are down dramatically from DS/PSP and I see no reason why this trend would cease.



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zorg1000 on 11 October 2014
curl-6 said:
Teeqoz said:
the_dengle said:
Teeqoz said:

Has he said that it'll sell one fourth of the 3DS? I still honestly suspects that it'll decrease (the handheldmarket), however, I think the 3DS succesor will sell not too much less than the 3ds since they'll also get the little niche that Sony has with the Vita which will, believe it or not, negate a bit of the loss ninty will experience (sales wise).

the only thing here that's directed at you dengle is the first question The rest is just me thinking out loud.

He said "I expect it to suffer the same fate as the Vita," which I interpreted as similar sales, and he did not correct me.


Ah okay. I think that's awfully pessimistic.

Perhaps, I just expect the dedicated handheld market to continue to shrink as it has for the last few years under the assault of more affordable phone/tablet gaming. 3DS/Vita are down dramatically from DS/PSP and I see no reason why this trend would cease.

its equally as possible that the damage from smartphones/tablets has already been done and that dedicated handhelds have a new 70-100 million per generation baseline. 



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curl-6 on 11 October 2014
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

Perhaps, I just expect the dedicated handheld market to continue to shrink as it has for the last few years under the assault of more affordable phone/tablet gaming. 3DS/Vita are down dramatically from DS/PSP and I see no reason why this trend would cease.

its equally as possible that the damage from smartphones/tablets has already been done and that dedicated handhelds have a new 70-100 million per generation baseline. 

It's possible, but do you have a likely explanation for why this the mobile encroachment into handheld territory would stall now?



zorg1000 on 11 October 2014
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

Perhaps, I just expect the dedicated handheld market to continue to shrink as it has for the last few years under the assault of more affordable phone/tablet gaming. 3DS/Vita are down dramatically from DS/PSP and I see no reason why this trend would cease.

its equally as possible that the damage from smartphones/tablets has already been done and that dedicated handhelds have a new 70-100 million per generation baseline. 

It's possible, but do you have a likely explanation for why this the mobile encroachment into handheld territory would stall now?

perhaps the majority of people who want a smarphone already have one and a large percentage of sales come from existing users upgrading to newer models.



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curl-6 on 11 October 2014
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

It's possible, but do you have a likely explanation for why this the mobile encroachment into handheld territory would stall now?

perhaps the majority of people who want a smarphone already have one and a large percentage of sales come from existing users upgrading to newer models.

But as it becomes an accepted norm to have 99c games on the go on a device you already own, a dedicated gaming handheld becomes a difficult sell.



zorg1000 on 12 October 2014
curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

It's possible, but do you have a likely explanation for why this the mobile encroachment into handheld territory would stall now?

perhaps the majority of people who want a smarphone already have one and a large percentage of sales come from existing users upgrading to newer models.

But as it becomes an accepted norm to have 99c games on the go on a device you already own, a dedicated gaming handheld becomes a difficult sell.

it is already an accepted norm to have 99¢ or even free games on the go on a device u already own since before 3DS/Vita even released, yet they still have sold 50+ million and growing. this shows that there is still a viable market for dedicated handhelds as long as the price and software are right.



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