Yup sure, I keep saying this xD Suddently games with sub-par graphics "are still playable and fun" and diminuished sales "are still profitable"!

How would you know this?

That's fair.  I am a usually a 3 console gamer, and for now I'm waiting for XB1 to get some more exclusives first, especially something like Gears of War.

It's not that it doesn't have some great games.  I would play Forza Horizon, Killer Instinct and others, but there are also a lot of great multiplats which are on PS4 as well. and getting an XB1 with XBL and some games is still over $500 investment for it's current exclusives, since I wouldn't buy multiplats for it.

when i gamed on the ps2 i  didn't know what an xbox was. It wasn't big in my country in the EU  anyway. But i would have called the PS2 the best console by a mile if i knew it did and that's because it had the best games library. Not because it's more powerful. It's too early to say anything about the PS4 but I'll likely be saying it's the besast because it had the best games library and the bestversions of multiplats (added bonus) 

i dont care, but i will post here nevertheless


lol ps4 cant render at 4k
weak console

Moderated,

-Mr Khan

not sure how much of this i believe,i got it on good authority from toastyboy that ''identical hardware produces identical specs''.......

The same way you did. It's not that hard.

I don't agree that (a) is just point scoring.  It has a tangible "quality" value; it's just less important to you.

Point (b) is true, and nobody is going to dissuade you if you feel that Xbox has the exclusive games you want then that's fine.  Enjoy your XB1!  You don't have to justify your choice by downplaying the power difference.

I am happy with the game situation for PS4; as far as I'm concerned it has way more games than I have time to play.  I have over 12 retail games, a lot of digital games, and I'll add at least 12 more retail games in the next 6 months.

So the point is for me the "power argument" is multiplied manyfold because I enjoy many games, whereas the "exclusives" argument has less weight because "I could play Forza Horizon 2 instead of **** PS4 exclusive" is less important when you have tons to play anyway.

This is true, and a fact that's often overlooked by extreme fans of one brand or another : exclusives are less important than ever before. For all of Sony's studios, for all of the Xbox series, the fact remains that most games people play on PS and Xbox systems are multiplats. With the 8th gen, this is more true than ever before. Extended development times and fewer series (along with many of them falling dormant entirely, such as the Rare catalog) means that a gamer can't simply play exclusives even most of the time if they want more than a tiny handful per year.

Nintendo is the polar opposite, their console may as well not exist other than for 1st party gems.

Anyway, as the gen cranks onward, particularly when gen7 stuff starts to die off hardcore, this will be more true than ever before. Even for gen7, I bet if you made a list of the top 100 PS3 titles and the top 100 360 titles, you'd see it HEAVILY dominated by multiplats, with a smattering of big exclusives like Uncharted, Gears, TLOU, Halo, etc.

Well then people should buy pc multiplatform games as they are far superior to ps4 and Xbox one muliplats. Everyone I know chooses consoles based on exclusives. Some can't live without uncharted. Some can't live without halo or gears. A slight graphical difference has never been a choice. We aren't talking Wii to 360 level.difference here. We are talking ps2 vs Xbox difference in power.