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Intrinsic said:
vivster said:
Intrinsic said:

Doest help the wiiU that this year it has competition from the PS4 and XB1.

Wait what?^^

Since when do those system share the same market demographic?

And how do you explain that the sales of the Wii U increased after the release of the new consoles while selling nothing in the year before?

You see thats the funny thing and the exact problem nintendo is facing right now. Now they are competing in the eaxct same demographic with the PS4/XB1 in the very same way they were competing with the PS2/XB with the GC.  People shouldn't get it twisted. Nintendo makes game consoles. When you consider their best selling games, these are games that regardless of how cartoony they may look are actually made for a real gamer audience. I am talking about the people that will buy mario, bayonetta, zelda, metroid, splatoon...etc.

And they are failing at competing in that same space. The people that made the wii what it was are people that honestly rather play games on a cell phone.

And sales of teh wiiU has increased simply cause there is more to play on it now (also don't forget a certain MK8 bundle). And next year it will increase again or at least it should if its follwoing the trends of every console released before today. In the very same way that PS4/XB1 sales should be better next year than they are this year. Its in 2016 that things will get really bad for the wiiU and the XB1 too.

I don't share that thought. Yes their main stays are easily appealing to core gamers but core gamers know what games to expect on a Nintendo console so they will not limit themselves to it and have at least one other gaming option. Hence that demographic isn't shared between Nintendo and the other manufacturers. Those who only buy a Nintendo console are the hardcore Nintendo fans who are certainly not in the demographic of the other teams as they won't even consider a different console as their first choice. Then we have the people who are core gamers but will decide between X and P and maybe PC but won't consider Nintendo at all as they want to play multiplayer games.

I just don't think a demographic that honestly has to decide between Nintendo and MS/Sony as their only platform for the whole gen exists. So there is no real share between the pools of gamers.

If you want to play Nintendo games, you go left.
If you want to play MS/Sony games, you go right.
If you want to play multiplat games only, you go right.
If you want to play Nintendo games and multiplat you go left or both.
If you want to play multiplat and MS/Sony exclusives you go right.
If you want to play multiple exclusives you go both or whatever exclusives you prefer most if you don't have enough cash.

I just don't see a big middleground that would be shared by all 3 of them which would make it hard to decide. It's pretty much clear from the getgo which platforms you choose so there is no stealing from each other.



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Teeqoz said:
the_dengle said:
Teeqoz said:
Next NPD we can say that 360 officially won the US in 7th gen.

360: 41,7 million
Wii: 41,8 million

Well, not counting the DS, anyway.

Is the DS a homeconsole?

*shrug* you said in 7th gen, and the DS is indeed a 7th gen console.

I was just looking at the platform numbers recently and I was blown away by how high the DS was in the US. It beat the Wii by over 15 million. Especially weird considering it had so little real support from Western third parties -- why wouldn't they want to make software for by far the best-selling hardware at the time?

I don't see how it's off-topic at all. DS is a 7th gen console. Don't think I'm trying to downplay the 360, it certainly will pass the Wii and be the best-selling home console of the generation in the US, it lasted much longer, yada yada. Can I share my own observation about the DS's astronomical success? I'm not trying to start a console war here.



Mr_No said:
Has Pachter ever made a correct prediction?

btw, pretty damn good month, PS3.

I don't think he ever made a correct prediction. Only some highly obvious "no shits" like this. x}



the_dengle said:
Teeqoz said:

Is the DS a homeconsole?

*shrug* you said in 7th gen, and the DS is indeed a 7th gen console.

I was just looking at the platform numbers recently and I was blown away by how high the DS was in the US. It beat the Wii by over 15 million. Especially weird considering it had so little real support from Western third parties -- why wouldn't they want to make software for by far the best-selling hardware at the time?

I don't see how it's off-topic at all. DS is a 7th gen console. Don't think I'm trying to downplay the 360, it certainly will pass the Wii and be the best-selling home console of the generation in the US, it lasted much longer, yada yada. Can I share my own observation about the DS's astronomical success? I'm not trying to start a console war here.


I'm sure you understood that I meant homeconsoles I think the reason that western third parties don't make HH games are because they don't move as much software (especially not the type of software that a lot of western 3rd parties produce).

The attachrate for the DS was 5,29, so essentially the 360 sold more software than the DS despite a nearly 2:1 installbase disparity. Add the fact that digital on the 360 is guaranteed to be higher than the DS's (can you even download digitallyon the DS?) it is safe to assume that it moved a considerable amount of SW more than the DS.

And I wasn't the one that said that it was off-topic Go on, share all your observations



Teeqoz said:

I'm sure you understood that I meant homeconsoles I think the reason that western third parties don't make HH games are because they don't move as much software (especially not the type of software that a lot of western 3rd parties produce).

The attachrate for the DS was 5,29, so essentially the 360 sold more software than the DS despite a nearly 2:1 installbase disparity. Add the fact that digital on the 360 is guaranteed to be higher than the DS's (can you even download digitallyon the DS?) it is safe to assume that it moved a considerable amount of SW more than the DS.

And I wasn't the one that said that it was off-topic Go on, share all your observations

In fact, you cannot buy retail titles digitally on DS. You couldn't buy any kind of games digitally on DS until the DSi models were released, and then it was limited to the few DSiWare titles. I thought the full retail digital store was something that was added later on in the generation for 360 and PS3 though, not something available at launch?

DS did have a huge piracy problem (R4 cards) as did Wii (homebrew channel), but it could also be argued that the reason the attach rate was low is because so few publishers were funding worthwhile titles for the system.

You are somewhat right about handhelds not moving much software of the type that a lot of western 3rd parties produce, but that is because western 3rd parties don't produce a lot of their typical software for handhelds to begin with. For what it's worth, the first Call of Duty game on DS sold pretty well, and Rockstar had good success with GTA on both DS and PSP. Guitar Hero sold great on DS, of course Activision killed it soon after that. But most western third parties preferred to go out of their way to make games outside of their typical fare, such as Ubisoft's whole Imagine line or the abundance of licensed shovelware produced by Activision. Of course you couldn't simply port Assassin's Creed or Tom Clancy from PS3/360 to DS, but why not take any kind of chance on making a decent game for a platform with over 50 million owners in the US alone? Especially since the system was quite popular with all ages. There were plenty of adults playing games on DS -- not the same kind of games they play on home consoles, but how many publishers actually tried to sell that kind of game to this audience?



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the_dengle said:

is because so few publishers were funding worthwhile titles for the system.

Are we talking about the Ouya?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
the_dengle said:

is because so few publishers were funding worthwhile titles for the system.

Are we talking about the Ouya?

Westerrn publishers, I mean. Japanese publishers were making excellent games for the platform, everything from remakes of SNES classics to brand-new retro-styled iterations of classic franchises to brand new series like Professor Layton. From the West we got... Chinatown Wars... Scribblenauts... did I forget anything?



I think Boutros is THE guy to manage the NPD threads... it is like I LOVE GIGS for PAL charts threads.

There is no better man for this job.



ethomaz said:
I think Boutros is THE guy to manage the NPD threads... it is like I LOVE GIGS for PAL charts threads.

There is no better man for this job.

Stop you make me blush :3



vivster said:

If you want to play Nintendo games, you go left.
If you want to play MS/Sony games, you go right.
If you want to play multiplat games only, you go right.
If you want to play Nintendo games and multiplat you go left or both.
If you want to play multiplat and MS/Sony exclusives you go right.
If you want to play multiple exclusives you go both or whatever exclusives you prefer most if you don't have enough cash.

I just don't see a big middleground that would be shared by all 3 of them which would make it hard to decide. It's pretty much clear from the getgo which platforms you choose so there is no stealing from each other.


Its not about stealing... let me modify your analysis to how I think it actually is.

  • You want nintendo games; you you take the red pill
  • You ant sony games you take the blue pill
  • you want MS games you take the green pil
  • You want tmultiplatform games you take the black pill
  • You can take no more than two pills
The people that buy a console exclusively for the games of that platform holder are what makes up the core audience of that platform. These are the people that will jump in regardless of what anyone says or thinks.
The people that buy a console for multiplatform games will either buy what is the most popular console, cheapest, most powerful or any combination of those choices. So now lets explain all this
  • Nintendo fans will buy a nintendo console. Their core base, and judging from the last time they had a core base was as high as 20M+ (GC era). We cannot draw any conclusions from the wii caue we do not know exactly how much that core base grew. Or if it has even shrunk. These people will buy a wiiU even if a PS4/XB1 exists or not. They may just be waiting for that one game they really want to play.

  • This applies to both sony and Ms fans. Their core base will buy their console regardless. Its also hard to say exactly what sony's base is cause last gen they sold 80M+. But realistically that number is more like 50M. Last gen 360 was the popular console, so its hard to determine how bought it cause it was the most popular.

  • having said all that, if everyone that follows a platform buys it for the games from that platform, that leaves the neutrals. The ones that will buy a console for multiplats and naturally the games on that platform. These people buy a console cause its more popular...etc. This is the problem nintendo and MS are goingto have. Thi wild card vote. There are no multiplatform games on the wiiU. So this automatically means the console is already closed to that audicne. Nintendo's console cannot grow on their exclusives alone. Unless they can pull off another wii motion fad again.

  • This leaves us with sony and MS. and now we are talking about choosing two very identical consoles with two very identical libraries. There is now more than ever no reason to have both.  No one is stealing from anyone per say...teh neutrals are just going to where they feel the grass is greener.