Hiku said:
thranx said:
Hiku said:
Of course, it's on the tax payers. Though we all pay for different things in our taxes. American tax payers had to fund two of George W Bushe's wars for example, since he refused to pay for it. Whether certain wars are inevitable or not can be debated, but it didn't have to be payed for completely by tax payers, and in either case, I feel that free education and healthcare are very good investements. As well as a guaranteed personal pension.
As for the cost of it all, I imagine it's generally significantly cheaper to the point where the term free is not far from the truth.
Going to a private college is on an average $28,500 per year in America. That's $114,000 for 4 years. And that's just on average. At a top end University like Cornell you pay around $57,125 per year. That's $228,500 for 4 years. Based on how much of my income tax goes to education (24% of it), it would take me 151 years at my currrent job before they've taken that much money from me to fund education. And that's if we count one child. What if I have two? Or three? That would be 302/435 years. In comparison, I would almost call what we pay free.
I've heard of families in the US that save up money all their adult lives just to send their kids to college. Some times they can only afford to send some of them to a decent college. Some times none. That's sad. Over here, the schools actually pay us us to go to school. It's not much, like $400 a month, but it's something, and it helps prevent students from being forced to rely on student loans, and it sure beats having to save up a fortune to afford tuitions.
No society is perfect though. But things like healthcare is not something people should be without, in any circumstances.
Oh and as for my friend, I asked him about the dog. He said "cause it was a friend of mines who came from a poor family and I just couldn't bring myself to ask them. I have about another year till it clears of my record for my credit score so even though it may or may not have been the right decision it's behind me now."
Not sure what that credit score he mentioned is, but it kinda sounds like he would have had to pay more than $3000 without it.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=state+college+tuition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
The lowest published in-state tuition and fees for public four-year colleges and universities in 2013-14 are $4,404 in Wyoming and $5,885 in Alaska. The lowest published in-state tuition and fees for public two‑year colleges in 2013-14 are $1,424 in California and $1,696 in New Mexico.
looks cheaper to me. dont forget there are many choices over here. Private college, state universites, and jr colleges. not to mention FAFSA, and other state and federal grants/loans/scholarships.
Anyone that wants to go to college over here can. There are plenty of programs, choices and easy ways to make it happen. Its just up to the person to decide what they want to do.
http://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-and-fees-sector-and-state-over-time
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Going by the cheapest you listed, that's around 5 years of my taxes for one child, and 15 years for 3, so that would be cheaper, yeah. But this is for the cheapest that you listed. Not everyone can go to Wyoming. What I posted was an avarage, and also a top university. Parents only want the best for their children, right? Though in spite of there being cheap colleges at some places, the average is $114,000 for 4 years at a private university. If every state was as cheap as Wyoming, we probably wouldn't hear so many stories about kids not being able to afford to go to college, or students indebted for the rest of their lives in student loans.
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