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If the Nintendo Fusion is another hardcore gaming system, it won't sell more than the Wii U and 3DS combined.

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zorg1000 said:

what ur saying doesnt really make sense, why does Nintendo NEED to give Wii U a 6 year life? SNES/N64/GC all had 5 years. GBA only had 3.5 years and the successor went on to be the best selling handheld of all time. Xbox had 4 years and its successor went on to sell nearly 4x as much and gained a ton of marketshare.

Nintendo can easily get away with releasing a successor after only 4-5 years as long as Nintendo themselves releases a solid amount of there own ip.

They need to release at or near the same time as the rest... You release to early and run the risk of showing your cards to soon. Also, comparing handhelds to consoles is kind of moot... 

The examples you are giving are very vague and had many other factors that came into play... 

The 360 was rushed and could have used the extra year... MS got a year jump on Sony and Nintendo but it could have backfired and that year advantage helped but Sony caught up and Nintendo crushed them both.

How has the year jump helped Nintendo this time? It has not! They should have waited. Launched with a MUCH better line up.  Nintendo is better off taking the extra time and putting it into the console and shoring up the launch offerings of the next console. Releasing a year ahead of everyone else is only going to blow up in there faces... and again Nintendo made truck loads of money on the Wii, they can afford to be patient. Besides just because the WiiU is not profitable now does not mean it will stay that way! They will start making money soon enough and the new 3DS will turn on the Nintendo money tap again. 

The only people that want to new console so soon are graphic whores, Nintendo is not about that... never really have been! Nintendo does not need to pander to that bull shit. 



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Wait isn't the fusion just a rumor?



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Avro1958 said:
zorg1000 said:

what ur saying doesnt really make sense, why does Nintendo NEED to give Wii U a 6 year life? SNES/N64/GC all had 5 years. GBA only had 3.5 years and the successor went on to be the best selling handheld of all time. Xbox had 4 years and its successor went on to sell nearly 4x as much and gained a ton of marketshare.

Nintendo can easily get away with releasing a successor after only 4-5 years as long as Nintendo themselves releases a solid amount of there own ip.

They need to release at or near the same time as the rest... You release to early and run the risk of showing your cards to soon. Also, comparing handhelds to consoles is kind of moot... 

The examples you are giving are very vague and had many other factors that came into play... 

The 360 was rushed and could have used the extra year... MS got a year jump on Sony and Nintendo but it could have backfired and that year advantage helped but Sony caught up and Nintendo crushed them both.

How has the year jump helped Nintendo this time? It has not! They should have waited. Launched with a MUCH better line up.  Nintendo is better off taking the extra time and putting it into the console and shoring up the launch offerings of the next console. Releasing a year ahead of everyone else is only going to blow up in there faces... and again Nintendo made truck loads of money on the Wii, they can afford to be patient. Besides just because the WiiU is not profitable now does not mean it will stay that way! They will start making money soon enough and the new 3DS will turn on the Nintendo money tap again. 

The only people that want to new console so soon are graphic whores, Nintendo is not about that... never really have been! Nintendo does not need to pander to that bull shit. 


releasing a year before PS4/One isnt what hurt Wii U, releasing a year early and not having any key software post launch with a high price tag for what it offers is what has hurt Wii U.

had Wii U released at $250 and had a steady stream of software then things might be different

and no its not just graphic whores who want Nintendo to release a new console earlier than 2018, i personally want Nintendo's next console to be only a slight bump over Wii U and be unified with the next handheld that way Nintendo can focus all their resources on a central platform which allows them to have a greater software output. this also gives the next console all the japanese 3rd party support the handhelds are use to recieving.

the best way for Nintendo to be successful in my opinion is to have low cost hardware with a high software output and to differentiate themselves as much from the competition as possible.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but something important about the Fusion idea is that Nintendo would not longer be forced to make one Mario Kart for handhel, another for home console, one smash bros for handheld, another for home console, they could make only one of those games per generation, and dedicate the "free time" to make new games.

I don't think Nintendo should try to make powerful consoles. Power is really becoming less important. Many people can play the new gen games ok with PC's from 2008.
I think Nintendo should make their new console the most powerful thing they can make for USD250, with no gimmicks apart from being able to play the handheld games.



Nintendo only had more powerful hardware than their competition when they released their console one of 2 years later. (genesis 88, super famicom 1990)
SNES was more powerful than Sega Genesis (well, more colours, better soundchip, and some other things, Genesis had a faster processor) because it was released 2 years years after Sega Genesis.
N64 was much more powerful than Playstation, (although unfortunately it had cartridges), because it was released 2 years later. (94 and 96)
Gamecube was more powerful than Playstation 2, because it was released a year after Playstation 2.

If you want Nintendo to make a console more powerful than the competition, you will want the Wii U to last many years.



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What do people seriously want from Nintendo? The Wii was massively successful but must people complained about how casual it is and now the Wii U came out and shifted the focus more to hardcore. It's almost completely ignored. I don't get it.

I think Nintendo could be more successful if they advertised far more and opened up to new games. The quality is clearly still there. Its just the image the company has that hurts it.

Fusion sounds like an interesting idea. Its how its used that counts though



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Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018

zorg1000 said:
Avro1958 said:
zorg1000 said:

what ur saying doesnt really make sense, why does Nintendo NEED to give Wii U a 6 year life? SNES/N64/GC all had 5 years. GBA only had 3.5 years and the successor went on to be the best selling handheld of all time. Xbox had 4 years and its successor went on to sell nearly 4x as much and gained a ton of marketshare.

Nintendo can easily get away with releasing a successor after only 4-5 years as long as Nintendo themselves releases a solid amount of there own ip.

They need to release at or near the same time as the rest... You release to early and run the risk of showing your cards to soon. Also, comparing handhelds to consoles is kind of moot... 

The examples you are giving are very vague and had many other factors that came into play... 

The 360 was rushed and could have used the extra year... MS got a year jump on Sony and Nintendo but it could have backfired and that year advantage helped but Sony caught up and Nintendo crushed them both.

How has the year jump helped Nintendo this time? It has not! They should have waited. Launched with a MUCH better line up.  Nintendo is better off taking the extra time and putting it into the console and shoring up the launch offerings of the next console. Releasing a year ahead of everyone else is only going to blow up in there faces... and again Nintendo made truck loads of money on the Wii, they can afford to be patient. Besides just because the WiiU is not profitable now does not mean it will stay that way! They will start making money soon enough and the new 3DS will turn on the Nintendo money tap again. 

The only people that want to new console so soon are graphic whores, Nintendo is not about that... never really have been! Nintendo does not need to pander to that bull shit. 


releasing a year before PS4/One isnt what hurt Wii U, releasing a year early and not having any key software post launch with a high price tag for what it offers is what has hurt Wii U.

had Wii U released at $250 and had a steady stream of software then things might be different

and no its not just graphic whores who want Nintendo to release a new console earlier than 2018, i personally want Nintendo's next console to be only a slight bump over Wii U and be unified with the next handheld that way Nintendo can focus all their resources on a central platform which allows them to have a greater software output. this also gives the next console all the japanese 3rd party support the handhelds are use to recieving.

the best way for Nintendo to be successful in my opinion is to have low cost hardware with a high software output and to differentiate themselves as much from the competition as possible.


But that's kinda the point... they were not close to being ready! They also did not have 3rd party support and you would think it would have considering it came out a year earlier... It's all moot, Nintendo will not release a year before everyone... not now and not until they are ready.



Avro1958 said:
zorg1000 said:
Avro1958 said:
zorg1000 said:

what ur saying doesnt really make sense, why does Nintendo NEED to give Wii U a 6 year life? SNES/N64/GC all had 5 years. GBA only had 3.5 years and the successor went on to be the best selling handheld of all time. Xbox had 4 years and its successor went on to sell nearly 4x as much and gained a ton of marketshare.

Nintendo can easily get away with releasing a successor after only 4-5 years as long as Nintendo themselves releases a solid amount of there own ip.

They need to release at or near the same time as the rest... You release to early and run the risk of showing your cards to soon. Also, comparing handhelds to consoles is kind of moot... 

The examples you are giving are very vague and had many other factors that came into play... 

The 360 was rushed and could have used the extra year... MS got a year jump on Sony and Nintendo but it could have backfired and that year advantage helped but Sony caught up and Nintendo crushed them both.

How has the year jump helped Nintendo this time? It has not! They should have waited. Launched with a MUCH better line up.  Nintendo is better off taking the extra time and putting it into the console and shoring up the launch offerings of the next console. Releasing a year ahead of everyone else is only going to blow up in there faces... and again Nintendo made truck loads of money on the Wii, they can afford to be patient. Besides just because the WiiU is not profitable now does not mean it will stay that way! They will start making money soon enough and the new 3DS will turn on the Nintendo money tap again. 

The only people that want to new console so soon are graphic whores, Nintendo is not about that... never really have been! Nintendo does not need to pander to that bull shit. 


releasing a year before PS4/One isnt what hurt Wii U, releasing a year early and not having any key software post launch with a high price tag for what it offers is what has hurt Wii U.

had Wii U released at $250 and had a steady stream of software then things might be different

and no its not just graphic whores who want Nintendo to release a new console earlier than 2018, i personally want Nintendo's next console to be only a slight bump over Wii U and be unified with the next handheld that way Nintendo can focus all their resources on a central platform which allows them to have a greater software output. this also gives the next console all the japanese 3rd party support the handhelds are use to recieving.

the best way for Nintendo to be successful in my opinion is to have low cost hardware with a high software output and to differentiate themselves as much from the competition as possible.


But that's kinda the point... they were not close to being ready! They also did not have 3rd party support and you would think it would have considering it came out a year earlier... It's all moot, Nintendo will not release a year before everyone... not now and not until they are ready.

but the way ur talking is that releasing early in and of itself is a bad thing, when its not, its how u use that headstart that matters, Nintendo wasted theirs but there are a few examples of how releasing early helped various consoles.

Sega Genesis greatly beneffitted from the headstart over SNES by building up a fanbase and releasing their killer app, Sonic before SNeS released. as did PS1 over N64 by having games like Tekken, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil and Crash Bandicoot all release before or around the time N64 launched. the same thing with 360, they were able to get big games like Elder Scrolls 4, Gears of War, Saints Row, Dead Rising among others to give it a strong following by the time the competition released.

as long as u use it right, there is nothing wrong with releasing before the competition, u just canrt do what Nintnedo did with Wii U and release a console without key spftware not ready.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Nintendo has never used it correctly though.

With all the hardware issues the 360 had it could have easily went the wrong way! They could have done more damage to Sony had they spent that time tuning up the hardware and an even better launch line up... Sony would have buried themselves with the stupid launch price.

MS could have done more damage to the Sony brand.. but they kinda let them off easy and it allowed Sony to overtake MS in WW sales and gain momentum heading into this gen on top of the gaffs made by MS prior to launch. The 360 was my first console of last gen! I got a PS3 3 months later... however the hardware issues played a huge reason in making the PS3 my main console. I sold that 360 about a year later and went awhile without ever owning one..

Had MS launched at the same time with a even better line up I don't think I would have bought a PS3 at all or at very least MUCH, MUCH later in the consoles life span.

The gaming industry is different now, as much as people want a new Nintendo console they won't get it any time soon. Nintendo will focus on the handheld market and ride this gen out. Mark my words all 3 consoles that will be released next gen will be released within 0-4 months of each other.



I3LuEI3omI3eR said:
I feel the Wii U is ACTUALLY a VERY EARLY prototype of what the Fusion is going to be. I feel some how Nintendo is going to make a Tablet based system you can carry EVERY WHERE and not just play in your living room. And when you want to play it as a console, they'll have like a dock to connect it to and maybe insert games and controllers to and such.

And maybe it'll have control parts you can add to it that have buttons to fix control issues Tablets and Smart Phones have. Making a tablet that has all these features would revolutionize the gaming market once more, and Nintendo would be in the spot light again...

So since Tablets are more for casual gamers than Hardcore ones... I think Nintendo is just full of hot air...


I have been saying this for a while.  Nintendo loves the gamepad idea, and they have been preaching freedom from the tv for the longest time, as well as "hiding the box" in the living room.   There's been lots of talk about 3ds functioning as a wii u gamepad controller (esp. with the new model), & lots of Wii U fans love the gamepad play, but hate the range that it has to be near the console.  The marriage of HH + console has to happen.

I think the Fusion will be making games for the home dock (highest quality assets) that will scale down to the handheld (like Wii U - gamepad).  Ninty also will try and garner even more profit than usual, when it comes to the home dock hardware, so even if its $199 I don't expect it to be that much more powerful than the HH variant.  If they can hit near XB1 level, then Ninty is giving the option again to 3rd parties by not making things too difficult for porting.

As far as future capabilities, I do expect  telecomm. features, something like apps from your mobile provider that allows you to log in to your acct. for texting, and maybe even video calls etc.  

Nintendo Freedom Phablet + U-nity console = Fusion