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pokoko said:

Such a disgruntled human being.  It's kind of sad, really.  It makes me think she's a failed hipster who had to retreat back to her own kind.

Nevermind the sillyness of the whole mass generalization thing she likes to do.  She picks out the most hardcore and obsessive 'gamers', then holds them up as representing the entirity of the species.  That's face-palm-worthy. 

Still, though, what was her editor thinking?  Why would you publish an "I hate you all" tantrum?

I think there's real contempt for/fear of gamers on the part of a lot of devs and journalists (i.e., the Gamasutra audience), so it probably didn't even ping their radar as something that would be all that controversial to say.



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The term "Gamer" is a useless term now. Practically everyone "Games" a little here and there. It would be like being labeled a TV'er if you watched TV a few times a week.

Gaming Enthusiast is fine though just like a "Movie Buff" is ok. A clear distinction is made.



What a laugh. #gamergate being such hypocrits. Gamergate now starting to engage in corrupt practices by trying to silence its critics through pressuring advertisers to remove ads from sites that publish critical opinion.

Oh the irony.



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sundin13 said:


I don't think that is even remotely close to being true. As Jim Sterling said, most people in the game industry are just gamers who were lucky enough to be able to make some money talking about games. I don't know about you, but I would love to be paid to play games and hang out with gaming industry folks. I think you are deflecting just as much as a lot of gaming industry folks are...

While I do think there needs to be reform (in the direction of open-ness and accountability), I don't think there is any mass conspiracy or that gaming media are inherently evil. They are just gamers, and I've seen plenty of gamers say stupid stuff, it just wasn't thrown on the front page of a major game site.

I agree, for the most part.  That's why I think it's time to stop using the word "journalism" in relation to the gaming media.  I don't even mean that as an insult, I just think that most of these people are doing kind of a third-party form of PR.  As we've seen recently, even when there is a scandal, a lot of them chose to ignore it.  That's not journalism, which is actually fine, as long as they don't pretend to be journalists.  

Of course, they still need a degree of trust-worthiness, or they lose all credibility with the audience.  The same with being more transparent.  However, I personally never get outraged about these publications doing this or that because my expectations are low to begin with.  To me, they're just collections of random bloggers.



Bad article but good news, the fire rises



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binary solo said:
What a laugh. #gamergate being such hypocrits. Gamergate now starting to engage in corrupt practices by trying to silence its critics through pressuring advertisers to remove ads from sites that publish critical opinion.

Oh the irony.


Why would gamers pay intel money which then goes to gamasutra a site which has clearly stated they think the lowest of gamers (their audience by the way). Gamers just politely wrote to Intel and told them that for the time being we are retiring our support of their products. Intel knows their audience and how to threat them.



binary solo said:
What a laugh. #gamergate being such hypocrits. Gamergate now starting to engage in corrupt practices by trying to silence its critics through pressuring advertisers to remove ads from sites that publish critical opinion.

Oh the irony.

It seems you struggle to process information. Nothing corrupt about messaging advertisers about an horrible article that was published on the site. A advetiser pulling their money can assuredly put the money to a site that doesn't hate Intel's target audience.



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outlawauron said:
binary solo said:
What a laugh. #gamergate being such hypocrits. Gamergate now starting to engage in corrupt practices by trying to silence its critics through pressuring advertisers to remove ads from sites that publish critical opinion.

Oh the irony.

It seems you struggle to process information. Nothing corrupt about messaging advertisers about an horrible article that was published on the site. A advetiser pulling their money can assuredly put the money to a site that doesn't hate Intel's target audience.

You're being terribly naive. When advertisers can dictate content to the "media" based on threats from a small number of people that is the end of journalistic independance. It is in fact corrupt for an orchestrated campaign  to engage in pressuring advertisers because there is content they don't like. Advertisers should only base their decisions on website traffic, not opinion or editorial content.

This is a serious ethical issue whenever there are special interest publications that suppliers of the special interest group advertise with. Obviously its a far more serious ethical issue in the likes of medical journals that partly fund themselves through big pharma advertising. But its a similar issue with gaming websites and computer tech makers. If intel can point to a significant and sustained decrease in website traffic then there is a good commercial basis to pull advertising, because return on investment is low. But if they pull advertising because a few people write saying they don't like the content then it's undue influence on journalistic content.



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The whole gamergate debate is so infected that I try to stay away from it. But I think it sets a bad precedence for companies to let them being pushed around like this. Had the site been pro-jihad är pro-nazi, yeah then they should have pulled the ads - but over gamergate? Hell no



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binary solo said:
outlawauron said:
binary solo said:
What a laugh. #gamergate being such hypocrits. Gamergate now starting to engage in corrupt practices by trying to silence its critics through pressuring advertisers to remove ads from sites that publish critical opinion.

Oh the irony.

It seems you struggle to process information. Nothing corrupt about messaging advertisers about an horrible article that was published on the site. A advetiser pulling their money can assuredly put the money to a site that doesn't hate Intel's target audience.

You're being terribly naive. When advertisers can dictate content to the "media" based on threats from a small number of people that is the end of journalistic independance. It is in fact corrupt for an orchestrated campaign  to engage in pressuring advertisers because there is content they don't like. Advertisers should only base their decisions on website traffic, not opinion or editorial content.

This is a serious ethical issue whenever there are special interest publications that suppliers of the special interest group advertise with. Obviously its a far more serious ethical issue in the likes of medical journals that partly fund themselves through big pharma advertising. But its a similar issue with gaming websites and computer tech makers. If intel can point to a significant and sustained decrease in website traffic then there is a good commercial basis to pull advertising, because return on investment is low. But if they pull advertising because a few people write saying they don't like the content then it's undue influence on journalistic content.

Well, welcome to reality. Advertisers in all fields and industries will remove their ads for whatever they deem necessary, even for long partnerships and guaranteed business. A small website like Gamasutra doesn't have the pull to run hit pieces on their advertisers demographics without facing any consequences.

Gamasutra was already taking a major dip in traffic due to the article.

What you're failing to realize is that people who are pissed off at Leigh's article and on going controversies are larger than the small group you think it is. Keep in mind that Intel pulling their ads is what's ironically led to increased traffic.



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