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Panther111 said:
Qwark said:
bonzobanana said:
People write that islam is a kind religion and I know there is some positive beliefs in it but Mohammed can only be described as evil and the actions of IS fit in completely with the actions of Mohammed. He hunted and enslaved people, he had sexual intercourse with a girl of 9 or 10, he decapitated hundreds of people that unconditionally surrendered. He believed it was ok to rape women. To many like Martin Luther he was the anti-christ. The reason islam is the source of such violence and account for a statistically higher proportion of prison populations surely must be related to what is a dark religion. Don't get me wrong I'm an atheist and there is horrific violence in many religious texts but still islam seems the darkest.

In the UK when surveyed 40% of muslims wanted sharia law and a large percentage would not state their preference.

The world needs to try to prevent people being indoctrinated into religion. It's time has passed and it is too dangerous in the modern world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

It's not the Islam which is the problem it is the circumstances in which most of the people which most muslims live. Which is a world destroyed by Western civilizations. If Western country's would filled with muslims and christians would live there and the same course of history happened you would probaly have a Christian State, because the first testament isn't much lighter than the Koran. Hate + Religion or a fanaticus = Genocide

From the survey in the UK, I don't get these people why emigrate to a Western ccountry when you practicly despise the Western culture, which is in most cases the exact opposite of the sharia.

Belgium even has an activist group called Sharia for Belgium, well luckily the EU is way to secure to let something let that happen and way to slow at changing it laws :D. 


Sure, blame the west.. Being an islam apologist is one day gonna amount to being the same as a nazi apologist. Be very, no, extremely careful what energies you allign yourself with. Defending evil is not in your best interest.

I am not apologizing it I am analysing it, so I can understand the motives of certain groups, After ISIS is destroyed a new group will rise out of it's ashes, just like how ISIS has born out of Al quaida's ashes. Truth to be told is it's not the religion which is the main problem it is the general altitude towards the West. Which I believe the West has partly brought that upon theirselves with their arrogant policy. (we can bomb/drone every country if we suspect a terrorist is active and civilians are coletheral damage).

If I should put up a solution it would be that the Western world should colonise certain countries to keep the civilians happy and when a stable country is formed, they should rule it themselves, but this solution is (as I can fully understand) in conflict with any moral. Instead of only bombing ISIS we should send men to kill ISIS forces on the ground and help local militia which fight ISIS and actively help rebuild Iraq. 

But saying ISIS is the Islamitic Ideal is short sightened, most people are terrified of this group and if the West stops this group perhaps the altitude towards the West will alter.

If it turns out that people who've emigrated from Western countries to fight for ISIS, will immigrate back to Western countries to blow up multiple Western targets, the being an islam apologie should be declared nonsense and then the Western world may see the region as a serious thread and a war with the moslim world would be justified. Until that time I refuse to believe that the Islam makes people inherently evil. If it turns out it does then the islam and the Koran should be rewritten.

(Disclaimer Another 911 is unacceptable and would prove you're right, that this belief is unimproveable or is not willing to)





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Qwark said:
Panther111 said:
Qwark said:
bonzobanana said:
People write that islam is a kind religion and I know there is some positive beliefs in it but Mohammed can only be described as evil and the actions of IS fit in completely with the actions of Mohammed. He hunted and enslaved people, he had sexual intercourse with a girl of 9 or 10, he decapitated hundreds of people that unconditionally surrendered. He believed it was ok to rape women. To many like Martin Luther he was the anti-christ. The reason islam is the source of such violence and account for a statistically higher proportion of prison populations surely must be related to what is a dark religion. Don't get me wrong I'm an atheist and there is horrific violence in many religious texts but still islam seems the darkest.

In the UK when surveyed 40% of muslims wanted sharia law and a large percentage would not state their preference.

The world needs to try to prevent people being indoctrinated into religion. It's time has passed and it is too dangerous in the modern world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

It's not the Islam which is the problem it is the circumstances in which most of the people which most muslims live. Which is a world destroyed by Western civilizations. If Western country's would filled with muslims and christians would live there and the same course of history happened you would probaly have a Christian State, because the first testament isn't much lighter than the Koran. Hate + Religion or a fanaticus = Genocide

From the survey in the UK, I don't get these people why emigrate to a Western ccountry when you practicly despise the Western culture, which is in most cases the exact opposite of the sharia.

Belgium even has an activist group called Sharia for Belgium, well luckily the EU is way to secure to let something let that happen and way to slow at changing it laws :D. 


Sure, blame the west.. Being an islam apologist is one day gonna amount to being the same as a nazi apologist. Be very, no, extremely careful what energies you allign yourself with. Defending evil is not in your best interest.

I am not apologizing it I am analysing it, so I can understand the motives of certain groups, After ISIS is destroyed a new group will rise out of it's ashes, just like how ISIS has born out of Al quaida's ashes. Truth to be told is it's not the religion which is the problem it is the general altitude towards the West.

If I should put up a solution it would be that the Western world should colonise certain countries to keep the civilians happy and when a stable country is formed, they should rule it themselves, but this solution is (as I can fully understand) in conflict with any moral. 

The people of the middle eastern world will never find peace, because they desire war. There are too many war-mongerers there, and they act on their subconscious desire for destruction, which finds its manifestation in the material world. They are lost, and the only thing the us sould do is defend themselves from islam, trying to fix things will always be a waste when it comes to the middle east. They make their own beds. And people there are too lazy to sustain a working society where people support and benefit from one another. Evil reigns supreme there, and they are stupid souls and the disgrace of the universe.



bonzobanana said:
People write that islam is a kind religion and I know there is some positive beliefs in it but Mohammed can only be described as evil and the actions of IS fit in completely with the actions of Mohammed. He hunted and enslaved people, he had sexual intercourse with a girl of 9 or 10, he decapitated hundreds of people that unconditionally surrendered. He believed it was ok to rape women. To many like Martin Luther he was the anti-christ. The reason islam is the source of such violence and account for a statistically higher proportion of prison populations surely must be related to what is a dark religion. Don't get me wrong I'm an atheist and there is horrific violence in many religious texts but still islam seems the darkest.

In the UK when surveyed 40% of muslims wanted sharia law and a large percentage would not state their preference.

The world needs to try to prevent people being indoctrinated into religion. It's time has passed and it is too dangerous in the modern world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad

I posted this in another thread on a similar topic, but it works here, too.  And it's from a guy I don't usually agree with.

Others love to point to things other religions did 100s/1000s of years ago to say that all religions are the same, but that is BS.  With the Idustrial Revolution and various Civil Rights movements, other religions allowed themselves to evolve in their thinking.  There is no death penalties for going against the teachings of the church, there still is in Islam in the ME.  Homosexuality may still be frowned upon, by there is no death penality or physical punishment for those who are gay.  There still is in the ME.  Women were usually cherished in other religions, even if they didn't have the exact same rights.  Now, they do have those rights, but not so in the ME.  A cartoonist can mock Jesus or Buddha, and the worst he faces is some angry letters/Tweets.  He mocks Muhammad and he can very serioulsy face death.  It's the reason Comedy Network FORCED South Park to edit out a scene that showed Muhammad, yet have NEVER had to censor anything else dealing with other people's religions.

So, for others to label Islam the religion of peace is really ridiculous.  Even the word means submission.  Of course, some do move to other countries and become modernized, which should be commended.  Others, however, wish to bring Sharia law to those western countries, which I find pretty sad.  Worse, yet, people wish to force others to be PC, and to even criticize Islam is deemed racist.  We even arrested a man for making an anti-Islam video tape.  Something that would NEVER happen if that video was about Christianity, Hinduism, etc.



Islam is a religion of peace IF you are Muslim and man. Anything else is the enemy or female sex slave that produces babies.



 

 

I seriously cannot understand Muslims. They criticize other religions, but cannot accept criticism themselves.



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How can it not be Islam when it is done in the name of said religion? It's definitely a part of Islam, a minority belief perhaps but not eschewed from the totality of it.





Panther111 said:

The people of the middle eastern world will never find peace, because they desire war. There are too many war-mongerers there, and they act on their subconscious desire for destruction, which finds its manifestation in the material world. They are lost, and the only thing the us sould do is defend themselves from islam, trying to fix things will always be a waste when it comes to the middle east. They make their own beds. And people there are too lazy to sustain a working society where people support and benefit from one another. Evil reigns supreme there, and they are stupid souls and the disgrace of the universe.

What I think is ridiculous is how today's politicians think they know SO much better than the politicians of yesteryear, when they have the added deficit of creating/living in a PC world.  The reason we supported the dictators in the past is because, even if they used extreme measures, they kept the extremists trying to take over at bay and allowed the members of other religions to live in relative peace.  Now, we are trying to remove them and put up democracies, when all it is doing is allowing the extremists to take over these countries.  This is why many Christians in the region fear if Assad is overthrown, which Obama seems so set on doing.



thismeintiel said:
Panther111 said:

The people of the middle eastern world will never find peace, because they desire war. There are too many war-mongerers there, and they act on their subconscious desire for destruction, which finds its manifestation in the material world. They are lost, and the only thing the us sould do is defend themselves from islam, trying to fix things will always be a waste when it comes to the middle east. They make their own beds. And people there are too lazy to sustain a working society where people support and benefit from one another. Evil reigns supreme there, and they are stupid souls and the disgrace of the universe.

What I think is ridiculous is how today's politicians think they know SO much better than the politicians of yesteryear, when they have the added deficit of creating/living in a PC world.  The reason we supported the dictators in the past is because, even if they used extreme measures, they kept the extremists trying to take over at bay and allowed the members of other religions to live in relative peace.  Now, we are trying to remove them and put up democracies, when all it is doing is allowing the extremists to take over these countries.  This is why many Christians in the region fear if Assad is overthrown, which Obama seems so set on doing.


I am a spiritual person, and do not adhere to any specific religion. But if I had to chose, I would go with buddhism, I just enjoy the peacefullness of it. I also enjoy and respect christianiy and jews, and believe them to be good people.

however, there is nothing within me that resonates with the muslims... Maybe some politicians subconsciously want a muslim state, filled with hatred and restriction, judgement and condemnation... Those who defend islam seriously need a trip to the psychiatrists office ASAP! When i think of islam i get a really bad feeling... Its the demon religion. 

When i think of buddhsim i feel peace, when i think of christiany i feel a presence of striving to be a better person, when i think of jews i feel pride emenating.. But with muslims, nothing but anger.. 

Even churchill said after reading the koran that the book was like a nazi manifesto... Politicians are mostly distorted psychopaths... They hild the occupations with the highest rate of psychopaths along with journalists.



Panther111 said:
Scoobes said:
Panther111 said:
Sad and tragic.. But when you go to a war-ridden place, you cannot expect yourself exclusively to be spared from atrosoties... When in a war-ridden place, everyone is fair game, aid-worker or not.. His naivety led to his unfortunate demise..

Alternatively, he could have gone knowing and accepting the risks but went to help regardless. That's not really naive, it's commendable.


A potential, highly likely suicide-mission to ease his own need for appearing good to others is not commendable. This man did not know what he was getting himself into, believing his british citizenship to alieviate him from potential danger. Being british and coming from a stable home means nothing, and he was naive for believing it gave him some kind of ticket from experiencing the cruelties first hand.

he would not have gone, if he knew he would end up getting killed.

You can't assume to know his motivations for going or that he was naive to the risks. I seriously doubt anyone would go out there without knowing the risks or without being fully warned and prepped. Anyone that goes out there will know there is a significantly high probability that you'll either be killed or seriously injured, but at the end of the day, if he didn't go, someone else would have.

If anything, he would also know that being British/Western would make him a bigger target out there, regardless of the work he was doing.



"Opinion Research Business (ORB) poll conducted August 12–19, 2007, estimated 1,033,000 violent deaths due to the Iraq War. The range given was 946,000 to 1,120,000 deaths. A nationally representative sample of approximately 2,000 Iraqi adults answered whether any members of their household (living under their roof) were killed due to the Iraq War. 22% of the respondents had lost one or more household members. ORB reported that "48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance."[26][27][28][29][30]"

But that's OK, its muslim people of Iraq, who cares. But 'UK hostage Alan Henning being beheaded' is a tragedy. White western man death can't be tolerated.