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Leadified said:
the2real4mafol said:

I pretty much agree with you but imperialism from countries like Britain, France and the United States (even Israel) does play a good part as it aggitates people in the Middle East and elsewhere. Imperialists were never wanted there in the first place but go there to this day by manipulating groups against each other and starting wars often because of their oil and other valuable resources. If you go back to when the Ottoman Empire fell, the Middle East was completely divided with no consideration of the needs of local people. This part is still a big issue and its no wonder stability is so bad there when nations were invented out of thin air. The Kurds, a people with no nation still are literally the strongest in this mess the middle east is currently in. An Iraqi people doesn't really exist.

You say about the Wahhabi movement and the odd thing is despite their evil believes is that the western world worked with them when it see fit and then disposed of them afterwards. 

The Saudi Royal Family are Wahhabi and to be honest are probably quite comfortable with alot of ISIS action. Beheadings and stonings are still extremely common punishments in Saudi Arabia even though they are an ally which goes back at least 100 years when the Saudis decided to do what the British Empire told them. 

Iran may be hold wahhadi too as they are a very conservative and authoritarian country too. Although Iran was never like this until 1979 Islamic Revolution which was a reaction to a CIA backed Coup in 1953, that overthrew a democratically elected government due to the west disapproving of the Iranian nationalisation of their own oil. In the 1950s, Iran was secular, tolerant and a fairly liberal society. Afghanistan was similar and now look at the state of it.

Imperial interests didn't care about that though and destroyed those societies. I think all this interference radicalised people especially when wars started kicking off let alone the unwanted and unjusted coups that took place. Our problem is we backed some dodgy people in the cold war and we underestimated them big time. Just like how we backed Al Qaeda in the 1980s and now they are all over the place and creating even more extreme groups like ISIS. Ideas are a big part of the problem but they are nothing on their own. 

I just glad we didn't overthrow Assad, that would of been a mess

Sorry for the long post but all i'm saying is these extreme muslims would of been nothing but a small frustrated group of society almost like the National Front had it not been backed by a great power like the United States


No worries, you bring up some good points. I did forget about the Western backing of the Saudis especially during and right after WW1, against the Ottoman Empire and to also secure allies and resources in the Middle East. Because of conflicts between Great Powers and a reliance on resources from that region, powers have paid little attention to the people of the Middle East.

I believe there was a report that imams in Saudi Arabia had to bascially be forced to condemn the actions of ISIS, which is downright sickening really that there is a good chance that personally they agree with the actions of ISIS. Which seems fitting I think because some people do think that ISIS as an organisation has it's roots in the Wahhabi movement (very possible that Al Qaeda is too) and not the Muslim Brotherhood as previously thought.

I don't want to get too off topic from the discussion but as far as I know, Iran is a different animal. Iran is fundamentalist as a government but the government is also enemies of Saudi Arabia. As much as I know from Iran bascially, throughout the Cold War it was struggling to remain neutral between the Soviet Union and the West, and evenutally that encouraged the Islamist movement as a third faction.

But yeah the Middle East does ripple the effects of World War I, II and the Cold War up to this day and probably for the foreseeable future.

The problem is, its all got so complicated over there that there probably won't no end to conflict for a long time. It just seems somewhat deliberate when people like the Kurds and Yazidis and others can be treated like shit because they were left without a state or autonomy. 

But anyway, whatever the west does next. It needs to be very careful not to piss off the Middle East even more as anytime that happens, that feeling helps the actual terrorists 



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I always find it funny when people say that true Islam is not like this (or any other monotheistic religion that claims to be universal for that matter). What Muhammed and his succesors did was just as brutal as IS, probably even more so because the scale was much larger.

Of course we need to put Muhammed in the right context of his time. What he did was considered normal at the time for a conqueror or political/religious leader. What IS does, is considered barbaric for the 21th century.

But you can't idolize Muhammed and then say IS isn't true Islam... Muhammed wasn't against (sex) slaves or beheading religious/political dissidents.

First thing Muhammed did in Yathrib (Medina) was kill the Jews.