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Would you be interested/still buy Nintendo games if their Characters were more mature?

I'd be Interested but wo... 18 7.06%
 
This is what I've been w... 29 11.37%
 
No! It'll ruin the Magic... 49 19.22%
 
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It'd be an interesting t... 86 33.73%
 
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I3LuEI3omI3eR said:

Would people be more interested in Nintendo characters if they had a more Mature look to them enough to buy Nintendo games? If so, would their old fanbase remain loyal to them and still buy? And more importantly, would Nintendo FINALLY lose its "kiddie" game reputation they are known for?


Some, likely, and probably not.

If some of their games were more than superficially mature, as described in your post (which is either a joke or a textbook example of how not to go about this), then they could certainly attract some interest from outside of their current demographic. Their "old fanbase" wouldn't have much reason to complain as long as it was done well. And no, they wouldn't shake their reputation; that's almost entirely a problem of branding, which is a completely different issue.



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The Mario thing you wrote sounds more like a Wario game.



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CrowRSchneider said:
The Mario thing you wrote sounds more like a Wario game.


I think Wario Ware would be the perfect franchise to turn M rated.



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sundin13 said:
I3LuEI3omI3eR said:
 

Let's narrow it down, shall we?

Killer7: 150k copies sold.

Eternal Darkness: 440k copies sold.

Geist: 150k copies sold.

ZombiU: 710K copies sold (not bad but this got a boost since it was a release title plus bundled in a console pack) so those numbers are somewhat misleading.

Red Steel: 660k copies (not bad again, but very diappointing because this was also a release title, and considering everyone and their mother literally were buying Wii's at the time, the fact this didn't break a Mill is mind boggling).

Red Steel 2: 600k copies (alright but nothing too special either).

Mad World: 740k copies ( not bad, I read on Wiki this sold a lot less, but I guess they didn't know what they were talking about. Still, this is not a number that jumps as anything special, especially since the Wii was in like 60mill + household's at the time.

No more Heroes: 540k copies (again a"meh")

No More Heroes 2: 380k (below a "meh")

Conker's Bad Fur Day: 770k (Not bad, considering it came out on the End of the N64's console cycle, only number that surprised me).

So you basically only proved Conker did great. Okay, maybe poorly is a bad choice of words, but all those sales are still disappointing, and they definitely played better than what they sold for.

Everything is relative my friend...Most of these games aren't your typical big budget gritty games and a lot of them are really niche. Also, factor in the fact that development for Wii games was much cheaper than HD development...

*I will be using my numbers in highest "individual" SKU form instead of "combined"

Look at Madworld, from Platinum Games, sold more than Vanquish (released in 2009 and 2010 respectively) and it sold way more than Anarchy Reigns (which even has Jack as a playable character).
Vanquish (PS3): 0.58mil
Anarchy Reigns (PS3): 0.18mil

No More Heroes, from Suda 51 sold similar to Lolipop Chainsaw, much better than Shadows of the Damned, and much better than Killer is Dead...two of which are in a similar style to NMH.
Lollipop Chainsaw (PS3): 0.58mil
Shadows of the Damned (PS3): 0.24mil
Killer is Dead (PS3): 0.18mil

Eternal Darkness was both a horror game and a new IP (and it was on the tiny install base of the GC), but compare it to some other (non SH, non RE) horror games on the PS2:
Rule of Rose: 0.02mil
Haunting Ground: 0.07mil
Clock Tower 3: 0.33mil
Siren: 0.18
Not so bad in context eh? I guess ZombiU could fall into this category too (although, obviously not PS2 era)

Red Steel is harder to compare as there really isn't anything like it, however, according to Ubi, RS2 did perform in line with expectations and 42% of Ubis sales during its release quarted came from the Wii (http://www.vgchartz.com/article/80063/ubisoft-loses-555m-in-the-march-2010-fiscal-year/). Also, the fact that Red Steel 1 was garbage didn't help sales...

The devil is in the details ;)

EDIT: Edited in more numbers

I guess those numbers make sense and compared to many of those games they are considered successful. However, I am not talking about above average success. 

Thing is, these arent franchises that are well known. And that's why I feel that they don't sell as much as the heavy hitters on other consoles. Maybe a franchise the public is familar with, alone with a mature twist would sell exceptionally well. And maybe it'll surprise lots of people and build a new audience for nintendo games.

Or maybe it's just the Mature + Online experiece that sells? All those games we mentioned are great single player wise but don't have any multiplayer. Maybe Nintendo should go back to their couch multiplayer roots and make a mature game with a solid single player but a more epic multiplayer!



archer9234 said:
Vena said:
archer9234 said:

It needs the rating and you get that from blood, extreme action, and cursing. Pretty much what people seem to want.

Yeah, Samus gets a pass because the blood isn't red. Or the things she fights aren't human. Few easiet ways to avoid rating increases. But if she ripped heads off and deboned the aliens. That sure would trigger M. Even just having the sounds. Like if she slowly crushed a aliens head in. Hearing the alien cry mercy. While the camera just stayed on the wall. Or if it was a audio log of some kind. It needs to be visually or audioably there. And has to be on camera for a bit. You sneak by ratings if you cut fast. Like when Aragon cut heads off. Or when a Urukai smashed a goblin with that boulder. Really fast cuts. So you couldn't go "EWWW gross". Text, especially text that most people don't bother reading, free pass. Now if the text blocks were apart of the main game and were narated by someone. That could risk Metroid going into M land.

A Metroid game like that would sound awesome!



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GdaTyler said:

I'd buy a more mature Metroid First-person shooter game. For many reasons, If you know what I mean. ;)

Blood and gore are those reasons, eh?



                
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Egann said:

This is the company which convinced the ESRB to give Majora's Mask an E rating. Pamela's father is a zombie locked in a wardrobe and the game gets an E.

Nintendo's problem isn't that they can't make compelling mature content--they most definitely can, and they can keep it remarkably clean, to boot--but that they don't.

Personally, I would love to see a relatively hard Zelda game where Link is in his mid-50s and can't run and jump like he used to. Nintendo could make that work very well. They're not going to because it would likely hurt sales in they 8-15 year old demographic even if it had an E rating.

They're not going to because it would be a bloody disappointment. Imagine a several second delay on actions because Link's arthritis is playing up, or he's moaning about how kids these days are spoiled by 4D gaming.

"OooOhhh, I remember when Peahats and Zoras used to ATTACK you. And that was because you didn't get many friends in them days... *snore*"



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AZWification said:
GdaTyler said:

I'd buy a more mature Metroid First-person shooter game. For many reasons, If you know what I mean. ;)

Blood and gore are those reasons, eh?


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Curl - 6 was right about Zelda U never being a wii u exclusive, I should have never bet against him :p  

I3LuEI3omI3eR said:

 

Or maybe it's just the Mature + Online experiece that sells? All those games we mentioned are great single player wise but don't have any multiplayer. Maybe Nintendo should go back to their couch multiplayer roots and make a mature game with a solid single player but a more epic multiplayer!

That is not true. God Of War III also has no multiplayer but sold 5.2 million units despite being PS3 exclusive as of March 31, 2012 (which is just about 2 years since its release).