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What do you think about VGChartz tracking of the PS4?

3M+ overtracked 44 6.89%
 
2M+ overtracked 15 2.35%
 
1M+ overtracked 38 5.95%
 
Spot on! 53 8.29%
 
1M+ undertracked 300 46.95%
 
2M+ undertracked 37 5.79%
 
3M+ undertracked 39 6.10%
 
Who cares? 47 7.36%
 
I do care, but won't vote. 44 6.89%
 
TL;DR 21 3.29%
 
Total:638
vivster said:
Gameuberking said:
vivster said:
wary-wallaroo said:
Xeon said:
I think vgchartz has more difficulty accurately tracking PlayStation consoles because PlayStation is available in more markets. This includes smaller ones where it is more difficult to track as accurately.


Sure, but that doesn't explain why, when actual, real numbers are released, they're so hesistant to update and why to this day they are still rather heavily undertracking the PS4 (and/or overtracking the X1)

That was explained in length by ioi.

The short version is that you can't just slap more units in countries where you can't verify or at least comprehend where the units are coming from. So he chooses slightly wrong but verifyable numbers over accurate but completely made up numbers.

Of course there are countries where undertracking is verifyable and still not adjusted. I assume that's because of different reasons.

A smoke and mirrors explanation, as they had no issue leaving undertracked Euro numbers and overtracked US becasue they "canceled" each other out.

Sure they can, they know a few Key markets through official means so its a simply adding the missing numbers to the rest.  

If that explanation is not good enough, what is your take?

Is ioi too stupid or too lazy? Or is he just a troll that is paid by Microsoft?


Its not.  They lack info for their current guesstamates which makes them currently as legit as some posters on here.  They havent factored in economic growth in markets and gaming growth world wide and they lack the ability to do so.  Extrapolating ww sales from a few markets they know is futile.  The formula they have that onced worked is now near useless.  They lack ability/sources to even make a decent guess in most ww markets.   

Dont know or care, but we all got a bies little or big its there.  



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Gameuberking said:

Its not.  They lack info for their current guesstamates which makes them currently as legit as some posters on here.  They havent factored in economic growth in markets and gaming growth world wide and they lack the ability to do so.  Extrapolating ww sales from a few markets they know is futile.  The formula they have that onced worked is now near useless.  They lack ability/sources to even make a decent guess in most ww markets.   

Dont know or care, but we all got a bies little or big its there.  

I will put you down for answer a) then :)



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Having had a very quick look through this thread let me say this. There is a big difference in taking an interest in the accuracy of the site, and attacking it.

Utterly stupid conspiracy theories that make zero sense for any reason would be far closer to attacking the site than taking a reasonable interest in its tracking.



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its the march to august undertack, thats fucked up
~1m more in 5 month
and all the undertracked untis come from continental europe and rest of world, as we know

usa, uk and japan, are fine...

 

 

edit: right now its below 1m over oder undertracked



I'd love to see the same kind of thread for the 360. Just to see if VGZ had the same reaction after the last official statement of MS about 360 sales that with the 10 millions annoucement of Sony.



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wary-wallaroo said:

Yup, sounds about right. To this day, I still don't get why it's only PS consoles that seem to suffer from sometimes severe undertracking. Never seems to be an issue with Xbox, and hell, it's much more prone to being overtracked. I wonder if there's any truth to the whole Neogaf rumors about VGC's banning.

 

I'm sure VGC will put the X1 on top a few weeks this year, before inevitable correcting their mistakes in a few months to show that the X1 didn't actually win a single week. Hell, this week feels incredibly undertracked.

I thik its simple really.... the PS4 or PS consoles in general tend to do much better in places that VGC can't really get accurate data for and in some cases no data at all.. EU and ROW respectively. Like take some countries in Africa like say Nigeria. There are over 150M people there, and contraray to what TV may have you think at least 30M of those people can affford a new console. Funny thing about places/countries like that is that they are completely sony land. And the same can be said for any other major part of Africa.



Undertracked by 600-700k at the end of the month, but NPD wont be enough to fix that because like always the problem comes from Europe and the reste of the world, so we will wait for Sony official number showing its undertracked by at least 1M, then ioi wont trust thèm ans will néed months to fix thème, keeping 200-300k undertracked 



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

It should really be in Sony's best interest to provide ioi with accurate WW numbers.



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Vgchartz became so important ? Dont think so, on the most important forums, they are banned, its telles a lot



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

vivster said:
It should really be in Sony's best interest to provide ioi with accurate WW numbers.


Why should Sony provide numbers to someone that said "If Sony number are to be believe as being accurate sell-through"