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Which party will you be supporting?

Conservatives 49 21.21%
 
Labour 50 21.65%
 
Liberal Democrats 18 7.79%
 
UKIP 66 28.57%
 
Other 48 20.78%
 
Total:231
phinch1 said:
fireburn95 said:
Theyre all shit parties.
UKIP racist
Lib Dems are useless
Conservatives = Cuts everything
Labour has Ed Milililiband :/
But from the above Labour, since fjucking torys cut my EMA and increased my uni fees....the bastards


What policies of ukip are racist? 

Some of the ukip members are, making dirty slurs about browns and blacks.



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Carl2291 said:
He says he made those comments in regards to Romanian organised crime, which he states is a pretty big problem all over the EU...

When we see the full context of his (stupid) comments, its understandable why he said it. I wouldnt say it was racist, just him pushing the anti-EU stance to the absolute limit.

I dont want Farage running the country. I just like the man because he is honest, unlike the other leaders who lie everytime they speak.

He's not though. He bullshits with the best of them but but simply plays to a different image and the public lap it up as they're fed up with the typical PC politician.

Honestly, the biggest lie of all is that he's honest, lol.

What annoys me is that he'll probably win Thanet which is where I'm from.



binary solo said:
Lol clearly this poll result bears no resemblance to reality in Britain in general. And of course "other" has a high proportion because people like me (who don't live in the UK) have to chose it in order to see the results. Why do so many people fail with polls like this by not providing an option for people who can't make a substantive vote?

Anyway the chance of the UKIP getting 29% and thus the highest vote percent is nil. So it's either troll votes or the Brits on here are and unusually extreme bunch.

I've seen the DPP on Denmark and the FPO on Austria draw most of their support from natives on the 20-40 age group. People older than that tend to turn away from the new parties that arose after 2008. It seems likely the 20-40 native british are more likely to be represented here than the other groups, or even immigrants living in Britain. Not to mention people anonymously tend to more likely express politically incorrect views. So I don't think the results or the Brits here are unusually extreme. 



 

 

 

 

 

Either way the UK is screwed!! I think i'll vote Conservative just because they appear to be the lesser of the evils and I cannot just not vote...

With any luck they will screw up the 'vow' of more powers for Scotland and we will have had the referendum version 2 and escaped before then



fireburn95 said:
phinch1 said:
fireburn95 said:
Theyre all shit parties.
UKIP racist
Lib Dems are useless
Conservatives = Cuts everything
Labour has Ed Milililiband :/
But from the above Labour, since fjucking torys cut my EMA and increased my uni fees....the bastards


What policies of ukip are racist? 

Some of the ukip members are, making dirty slurs about browns and blacks.


That's not ukip as a party though, labour and conservative mp's have stolen from the general public and have gone to prison for it, so by your logic, labour and conservative are parties run by theives



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phinch1 said:
fireburn95 said:
phinch1 said:
fireburn95 said:
Theyre all shit parties.
UKIP racist
Lib Dems are useless
Conservatives = Cuts everything
Labour has Ed Milililiband :/
But from the above Labour, since fjucking torys cut my EMA and increased my uni fees....the bastards


What policies of ukip are racist? 

Some of the ukip members are, making dirty slurs about browns and blacks.


That's not ukip as a party though, labour and conservative mp's have stolen from the general public and have gone to prison for it, so by your logic, labour and conservative are parties run by theives


All MP's have stolen from taxpayers. As I said in my first line, they are all shit. Piers Morgan put it best when he said UKIP are the best of the worst.
But for the working class, Labour support us best. Who knows maybe UKIP would be good for the hard workers of the UK, but until Nigel Farage proves he can run a country better than he can run a party then i'll happily vote for them.



phinch1 said:
avais1993 said:
phinch1 said:
avais1993 said:
It's scary to see so many people vote UKIP


Why is it scary?


All they have done is fearmongered about how we should leave the EU before all the Romanians move in, there's a bitter racist vibe about their policies, not to mention that leaving the EU would cripple most of our economy. "They're taking our job's, leave britain british blah blah blah."

So you can't tell me what policies they have that are "racist" you just believe the media with no questions of your own....

Well that's what the majority of Britain want, make Britain british again...your confusing racism with pride, I find it funny you say leaving the EU would cripple us, you know before the EU around the 1950's and 60's we had an amazing industry that shipped WW and people relied on us......That's the way I'd like it again and not us reling on the EU, have a bit more faith In your own country, 


What is british? Half of you have grandparents born in other EU countries, and btw your amazing industry that shipped worldwide had a high load of immigrants in factories. 



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Cleary397 said:

hmm.... It might be comments like this that make him seem just a little bit racist -

"I was asked ‘if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned?’ And if you lived in London, I think you would be.”

On top of this, he has also made remarks which are insulting to women as well. Stating that they are "worth less" than men

Is that the kind of leader you want?

Problem in general with that quote is Romanians are not a race. I am Romanian and most ethnic Romanians are white and the only major difference between Romanians and other people is they speak Romanian.

For a little context, in Romania there is a lot of conflict between the ethic Romanians and the Romanis (gypsies). Ironically negative Romanian sterotypes such as Romanians are poor thieves who breed like rabbits and destory everything are exactly the same sterotypess used by Romanians against the Romanis.

These sterotypes exist because Romani people generally live poorer lifes and have mucher higher crime rates than ethnic Romanians and face societical discrimination. Romani culture and Romanian culture are completely different and often clash because of this, and with the majority of Romania being populated by ethnic Romanians, it's pretty obvious to see why Romanis got the short straw. There's a lot of Romanis in Romania, and also from Bulgaria too so when they go to countries like Germany, France or the UK they are just referred to as Romanians or Bulgarians.

So I'm not trying to defend UKIP but I do want to explain why I think UKIP believes this. And I do think scapegoating Romanians and Bulgarians (and Romanis for that matter of fact) is wrong, UKIP not only echoes what some British think but also what Romanians think.

Which the majority of this conflict comes from a clash of cultures. Which is generally why people do not like Romanis, although perhaps some people dislike them because they have slightly darker skin, in my experience it is the social friction between these two ethnic groups.

So is Nigel and the UKIP racist in this case? No (although to be fair, some definitions of racism include ethnic discrimination which in that case, yes UKIP is racist) but they do have prejudice and they do discriminate against Romanians and probably from the assumption that Romanians are Romanis (the similar names do not help) and Romanis have social and cultural friction with Romanians and the British.



Leadified said:
Cleary397 said:

hmm.... It might be comments like this that make him seem just a little bit racist -

"I was asked ‘if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned?’ And if you lived in London, I think you would be.”

On top of this, he has also made remarks which are insulting to women as well. Stating that they are "worth less" than men

Is that the kind of leader you want?

Problem in general with that quote is Romanians are not a race. I am Romanian and most ethnic Romanians are white and the only major difference between Romanians and other people is they speak Romanian.

For a little context, in Romania there is a lot of conflict between the ethic Romanians and the Romanis (gypsies). Ironically negative Romanian sterotypes such as Romanians are poor thieves who breed like rabbits and destory everything are exactly the same sterotypess used by Romanians against the Romanis.

These sterotypes exist because Romani people generally live poorer lifes and have mucher higher crime rates than ethnic Romanians and face societical discrimination. Romani culture and Romanian culture are completely different and often clash because of this, and with the majority of Romania being populated by ethnic Romanians, it's pretty obvious to see why Romanis got the short straw. There's a lot of Romanis in Romania, and also from Bulgaria too so when they go to countries like Germany, France or the UK they are just referred to as Romanians or Bulgarians.

So I'm not trying to defend UKIP but I do want to explain why I think UKIP believes this. And I do think scapegoating Romanians and Bulgarians (and Romanis for that matter of fact) is wrong, UKIP not only echoes what some British think but also what Romanians think.

Which the majority of this conflict comes from a clash of cultures. Which is generally why people do not like Romanis, although perhaps some people dislike them because they have slightly darker skin, in my experience it is the social friction between these two ethnic groups.

So is Nigel and the UKIP racist in this case? No (although to be fair, some definitions of racism include ethnic discrimination which in that case, yes UKIP is racist) but they do have prejudice and they do discriminate against Romanians and probably from the assumption that Romanians are Romanis (the similar names do not help) and Romanis have social and cultural friction with Romanians and the British.

Yeah, I know its not Racism in the strictest sense of the word.

The main point i should have made is about prejudice, which you kindly pointed out to me.

Perhaps this is a better term to use for Farage, and in my mind there should never be a leader who is prejudice against certain groups of society or nationalities.

Of course, this is a bit of a dilemma, because im sure everyone has some level of prejudice. But this should never be one of the defining reasons behind policies.

I also have no respect for the man because of the way he conducts himself in the media, as much as everyone says they like him because he is an everyman who goes down the pub, I personally dont want an everyman running the country I live in. It should be a job for someone who has a good education, and can conduct themselves in a respectful manner when dealing with foriegn and domestic policies - the UK would lose all credibility with a man like Farage in power.



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Cleary397 said:

Yeah, I know its not Racism in the strictest sense of the word.

The main point i should have made is about prejudice, which you kindly pointed out to me.

Perhaps this is a better term to use for Farage, and in my mind there should never be a leader who is prejudice against certain groups of society or nationalities.

Of course, this is a bit of a dilemma, because im sure everyone has some level of prejudice. But this should never be one of the defining reasons behind policies.

I also have no respect for the man because of the way he conducts himself in the media, as much as everyone says they like him because he is an everyman who goes down the pub, I personally dont want an everyman running the country I live in. It should be a job for someone who has a good education, and can conduct themselves in a respectful manner when dealing with foriegn and domestic policies - the UK would lose all credibility with a man like Farage in power.


Hypothetically I am also curious on how Nigel would even fare as PM or more realistically in a coalition. The man was chased out of Scotland and is virtually hated there. On top of Nigel making the UK a worldwide laughing stock, especially towards the Europeans, the man has a fair amount of enemies at home.

He calls, or at least it seems now it's "called" himself and his party libertarian, but he is about as libertarian as a Green Party who actively supports fossil fuels. He and his party probably won the European parliment for probably the same reason that the National Front won in France, people didn't care enough to vote anyways, or as a form or protest vote. UKIP as it stands right now with Farage has no chance to win any local general election as long as they maintain their current structure and policy.