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thismeintiel said:
Ka-pi96 said:
michael_stutzer said:
I always liked him as an actor, but now I like him in general. Though nothing can stop Israel, so what people say won't matter much regardless of who they are.

I don't believe that. I'm sure they could be stopped. It wouldn't be easy, but they could make a peace deal with Palestine/Hamas.

For starters they cease hostilities. Then they make contact with the Palestinian government and the people of Gaza and offer a peace settlement, they stop blockading them and even give back a bit of the land they took to get it done. If needed they give Gaza food and medical aid. And of course, most importantly as part of the peace deal they agree that Palestine will actively work to prevent Hamas doing anything against Israel again in the future.

Sure it is unlikely that would happen, but not impossible.

Yes, once Israel stops fighting, Hamas will just stop fighting, as well.  The same people who want to wipe Israel, as well as all non-Muslim countries off the map.  The ones who purposely hide themselves and their munitions among the public, so when Israel does retaliate they can run to blind leftists with cries of Israel atrocities.  Of course, those same leftists love to ignore the MASS atrocities that the radicals commit against those of different faiths, gays, their own women, and even Muslims who aren't as radical as them.  Murders, beheadings, bombings, genital mutilation, honor killings, etc.  The same people who entered into a cease fire agreement with Israel, only to start firing rockets at them, again.  Yep, they sound like reasonable guys.

Now, you can keep buying whatever BS excuse they come up with for the horrible actions, including dumb shit that happened hundreds of years ago.  I, and other common sense indivisuals, will continue to live in the now.  Where we know scum terrorists can never be bargained with or appeased.  This is a holy war they have against infidels in all lands, not some skirmish over nearby land.

What Hamas says and what Hamas does are two different things. Radical statements bely a fairly rational group with some very radical elements within their ranks (especially a militia arm responsible for most of the rogue rocket launches).

They are as legitimate a governing authority as Israel, at least in the strictest sense, and their views are to be recognized.

The alternative is integrating Palestinians under Israeli law as Israeli citizens, but Israel has a strong racist streak amongst segments of the Jewish population that sees that as destruction by different means.



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Jumpin said:
The Palestinians are largely descendants of the older Jewish populations who later converted to Islam. The Jewish Ashkenazis are largely of Slavic background, and are coming into Israel and are slaughtering, pillaging, raping, bombing, and stealing the land from the native population who have lived there for over 2000 years. This is a terrible atrocity. Although I can see how a nation like the US would support this considering they did the exact same genocide.

Actually the earlier Ashkenazi Jews are some of the more moderate in Israel. The rightists are either the NEW European immigrants, mostly from Russia, or the Mizrahim, who are the Jews of middle eastern stock (except for the jews from Yemen, who have a different name).



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Soriku said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Yes, giants walked the Earth. But God did not created them, they were abominations born out of the union of the fallen angels and the women. They also sinned against animals in those days (days of Enoch) creating hybrids and monsters. The mighty men of the old were those son of nephilin.

God does not allow or love any aberrations, meaning, the offspring from diferent kind of beings, like angel+woman or man+animal. The book of Enoch explains that any soul these aberrations have is not created by God and, thus, have no place to go after the monster die. This is why we have demons and evil spirits tormenting mankind till this day.

The 200 fallen angels reign in Earth along the demons, controlling the monay, media, using greedy people as puppets, to this day. But those who fear and serve the Lord are in His ways. 

This is what I 100% believe, I have the Holy Spirit in me, guiding every step of mine. So it is a very real thing to me.

But I do understand those that do not believe. I was a atheist till a year ago.  We do not have to argue or anything...


Biologically speaking, how can angels+women and man+animal produce offspring? How are women even able to give birth to giants? Like, how does this fit in with evolution?

On the prophecies which the Bible say are fulfilled, it's not much different from me viewing a movie and then writing my own sequel based on events that happened in the first movie, with answers explained and plot holes filled. It really means nothing and isn't impressive.

They don´t born as giants, as I understand, they just don´t stop growing, like a LIGER, you know, the offspring of a lion and a tiger. it grows 3 times more than a normal animal, and actually cannot stop growing cause it lacks the DNA comand that halts development. Here is one:

You can even buy one or visit them at LIGER.ORG

The book of Jude explains how the angels done that:

And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Judas 1:6

They forsake their nature, changed it to be able to acutally have sex. They were not giants, the offspring became giants, and mighty men of old. Other verses from the bible states that angels can change form, and even Satan, althought he lost most of his glory at the fall, still can pose as a angel of light to decieve.

Mixing species is not impossible at all. Even today we do it with science, which is an abomination. That time they have done with supernatural powers that they had left from their former glorified natures.

All this, of course, is nonsense to nonbelievers, but it is very normal and true to those that have the holy spirit in them.

Also, evolution is a gigantic demonic satanic lie. 

Consider the Horseshoe crab, which God created along with us. Evolution say it is a "alive fossile", which is funny. Every animal that should not be around today because of those phony Carbon-14 reading are considered alive fossiles. No one ever say: maybe we are wrong and we should rethink the age of Earth and Carbon-14 techinique. 

Those reading themselves are crazy, since Earth´s magnetic field is changing in a fast rate, which makes the reading imprecise and useless.

Fossiles themselves do not need millions of years to form, the Flood made them. Also petrol and diamonds do not need millions of years to form, just enough pressure for a limited time. The flood also made them.



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Ka-pi96 said:
WagnerPaiva said:

Fossiles themselves do not need millions of years to form, the Flood made them. Also petrol and diamonds do not need millions of years to form, just enough pressure for a limited time. The flood also made them.

What, these guys?


No, these pretty boys over here:



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Ka-pi96 said:
Soriku said:


Biologically speaking, how can angels+women and man+animal produce offspring? How are women even able to give birth to giants? Like, how does this fit in with evolution?

On the prophecies which the Bible say are fulfilled, it's not much different from me viewing a movie and then writing my own sequel based on events that happened in the first movie, with answers explained and plot holes filled. It really means nothing and isn't impressive.

Because some power hungry guy years ago said so. Make sense now?


God must love you Ka-pi, cause even jesting you said the truth: some power hungry being indeed caused all this mess. His name is Lucifer, the fallen one, the adversary of mankind.



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I'm sorry for participating in this (as i'm party guilty here) but this is not a referendum on Wagner's religious beliefs, so we should stop it now and get back to the topic of Israel (without mention of olive trees, etc)



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Mr Khan said:
I'm sorry for participating in this (as i'm party guilty here) but this is not a referendum on Wagner's religious beliefs, so we should stop it now and get back to the topic of Israel (without mention of olive trees, etc)

Well it does because demonstrates that winners pick how history is told, both sides commit terrorist acts any nation involved in war does, but there is always good vs bad and they are labeled.

Here in the united states the winners who commited genocide against the original inhabitants claim christianity  as the "true creation story for man".

Recorded history denies that story yet it accepted as myth even though it predates all other creation stories and all other religions derive in some form from this so called creation myth.

For those who don't know its mesopotamian civilization creation story of mankind that is the oldest recorded human in record, but it considered myth, how is that?

Because the winners chose what the sheep consume.

There is only one human race, but the winners who tell history would say that different cultures are different races, once again that to keep sheep in line and to consume each other.



Mr Khan said:
I'm sorry for participating in this (as i'm party guilty here) but this is not a referendum on Wagner's religious beliefs, so we should stop it now and get back to the topic of Israel (without mention of olive trees, etc)


Fig trees =D

but ok, I will behave.



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Ka-pi96 said:

I think it's more everyone else going in on you, than you yourself.

Sorry about that.


No worries, there is no topic more controversial than religion, so it is normal that people argue about it. On topic I don´t have much to say cause I don´t really care about actors think, so Viggo can say whatever.



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Mr Khan said:
thismeintiel said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I don't believe that. I'm sure they could be stopped. It wouldn't be easy, but they could make a peace deal with Palestine/Hamas.

For starters they cease hostilities. Then they make contact with the Palestinian government and the people of Gaza and offer a peace settlement, they stop blockading them and even give back a bit of the land they took to get it done. If needed they give Gaza food and medical aid. And of course, most importantly as part of the peace deal they agree that Palestine will actively work to prevent Hamas doing anything against Israel again in the future.

Sure it is unlikely that would happen, but not impossible.

Yes, once Israel stops fighting, Hamas will just stop fighting, as well.  The same people who want to wipe Israel, as well as all non-Muslim countries off the map.  The ones who purposely hide themselves and their munitions among the public, so when Israel does retaliate they can run to blind leftists with cries of Israel atrocities.  Of course, those same leftists love to ignore the MASS atrocities that the radicals commit against those of different faiths, gays, their own women, and even Muslims who aren't as radical as them.  Murders, beheadings, bombings, genital mutilation, honor killings, etc.  The same people who entered into a cease fire agreement with Israel, only to start firing rockets at them, again.  Yep, they sound like reasonable guys.

Now, you can keep buying whatever BS excuse they come up with for the horrible actions, including dumb shit that happened hundreds of years ago.  I, and other common sense indivisuals, will continue to live in the now.  Where we know scum terrorists can never be bargained with or appeased.  This is a holy war they have against infidels in all lands, not some skirmish over nearby land.

What Hamas says and what Hamas does are two different things. Radical statements bely a fairly rational group with some very radical elements within their ranks (especially a militia arm responsible for most of the rogue rocket launches).

They are as legitimate a governing authority as Israel, at least in the strictest sense, and their views are to be recognized.

The alternative is integrating Palestinians under Israeli law as Israeli citizens, but Israel has a strong racist streak amongst segments of the Jewish population that sees that as destruction by different means.

Oh, so Hamas can hide behind that the hundreds of crazies committing violent acts in their group are just a few radicals, and all the others just SAY crazy things.  So, why doesn't Hamas no longer include them within their group, kick them out, or try to stop them?  And who keeps supplying them with all these rockets and launchers?  I just love how people come up with all of these excuses for Islam extremist groups, even their crazy actions, but would completely flip their shit if a large group within America or Israel even said anything even implying something negative about all Muslims.  I think Bill Maher, a man I usually disagree with, says it best:

Interesting how he has to tell the audience it's okay to clap.  Seems the left has them trained well that it's not okay to say anything against Islam.