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TheLegendaryWolf said:
Funny thing is the GC made more profit than the PS2 and yet is called a "failure."


you sure it was GC and not gameboy/ gameboy advance?



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TheLegendaryWolf said:
Funny thing is the GC made more profit than the PS2 and yet is called a "failure."

No it didn't. Nintendo as a whole (including handheld sales, which were sky high) made more profit than the PS2. That is a pretty substantial difference.



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ohmylanta1003 said:

The consoles made profit for the company. You are reading into it incorrectly. People are not talking about the company making profit as a whole. People are talking about each individual console making money for Nintendo.

I've yet to find anything indicating the Gamecube (or N64) itself made profits for Nintendo. There is no seperation on whether it was actually the gamecube leading to the profits, or if it was handhelds.

I would wager the majority came from handhelds, or even software, really. But with software, that doesn't at all justify that they should continue selling consoles. After all, they could halt console sales, and release their software on another console (and it would likely still have huge sales).



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TheLegendaryWolf said:
Teeqoz said:
TheLegendaryWolf said:
Funny thing is the GC made more profit than the PS2 and yet is called a "failure."


Proof? I know the PS2 made Sony 1 billion dollars annually, so then the GC would have to have made a shit ton of cash. Now, because of it being more powerful than the PS2, and it's huuuuge pricecuts in such a short time, I don't really see how that can be true.

I meant to say during most of the 6th gen. PS2 was being sold at a loss for a while. Overall, the PS2's long life span led to most of the profits made.


It was being sold at a loss, but only during the first year. Now, during the rest of the gen, and adding software royalties, the PS2 most likely made as much as 3 or 4 times as much money as the GC.



RolStoppable said:
Teeqoz said:
TheLegendaryWolf said:
Funny thing is the GC made more profit than the PS2 and yet is called a "failure."

Proof? I know the PS2 made Sony 1 billion dollars annually, so then the GC would have to have made a shit ton of cash. Now, because of it being more powerful than the PS2, and it's huuuuge pricecuts in such a short time, I don't really see how that can be true.

You are both wrong.

1) Nintendo as a whole made more profit during the sixth generation than Sony's gaming division. Obviously, the GBA was an important factor in that too.

2) The PS2 only made a $1 billion profit once. Sony was aggressively trying to push all competitors out of the market, so they sold the PS2 at a substantial loss initially ($500m loss during launch year) and cut the price in 2002 despite handily outselling the Xbox and GC anyway. On the other hand, the GC had a cost-efficient design, so despite its lower price it was never sold at a big loss. At its worst points the sale of a single first party game offset the loss taken on the hardware sale.

^Thanks. I'm sure the GC made a decent profit overall.



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Teeqoz said:

Proof? I know the PS2 made Sony 1 billion dollars annually, so then the GC would have to have made a shit ton of cash. Now, because of it being more powerful than the PS2, and it's huuuuge pricecuts in such a short time, I don't really see how that can be true.


Sony only posted billion $ profits one year, nowhere near that otherwise as they were selling the PS2 at a big loss. GC+GBA are impossible to disentangle but the whole of Nintendo's gaming made considerably more than Sony/PS2, and the Gamecube had a high software sell-through rate to cover the losses on selling it at a loss (if they even did) and was highly cost-effective. At the very least, the NGC was did not lose them profits.



RolStoppable said:
Why would zero129 make another Nintendo thread after so many failed attempts?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



IamAwsome said:
platformmaster918 said:
IamAwsome said:
One failed console doesn't equal "so many attempts".

I think he's referring to continued declining sales in an otherwise growing market.  The Wii was an anomaly.  Other than that it's NES>SNES>N64>GC>WiiU (for now)

I just don't understand that whole "downward trajectory" arguement. 

The NES was a monopoly.

THe SNES had stiff competition. (I'll never understand why people see the SNES in particular as "downward trajectory")

The N64 has STIFFER competiton (Sony + a dying Sega) as well as Nintendo hampering themselves with carts. 

The GCN turned up late against the PS2 and suffered from a "kiddy" design... and MS..  they were there too.  

The Wii U was just poor execution. 

Yeah sales went down, but they dropped for reasons. Change certain crucial decisions that Nintendo made in the past, and the gaming landscape would be very different now. 

ok if they had perfect execution every time sure they could have been awesome.  Now they have no 3rd party support and continually have weaker hardware albeit at a cheaper price.  I love Nintendo and I actually bought a WiiU so I'm in a very small minority.  Their old fans dwindle more every gen and they're the only ones buying Nintendo anymore.




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Nintendo won't release a "real" 9th gen console.

The console will simply be the portable chipset thrown into a small box ... same thing as Vita TV (which is just the Vita chip).

I could see them maybe making the home version have 2-3x the CPU/GPU cores and RAM so the handheld games can be displayed in nice, clean 1080p on the TV though.

The plus side to this is such a box would probably be extremely cheap ... sub-$200 to start with and probably could be sold at $149.99 very quickly.

Though to be honest I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if Nintendo just conceeded and agreed to make games for say the PS4 if Sony agreed to waive all licensing fees, let them make their own custom PS4/Wii U hybrid, and helped out with marketing (they could threaten to go to Microsoft if they don't). That and Sony could help them with a handheld that might scale into things like tablets and even cell phones, where Nintendo would control the majority of the royalties (not like Sony is making a ton off Vita anyway, so this would be a win for them too). 

Being able to sell Zelda and Mario Kart to a userbase of 100 million gamers, and not have to worry about soccer moms would be a load off Nintendo's back and they could continue to make their own portable hardware (in that arena, Sony would agree to assist Nintendo). Sony could push those IP like they pushed Destiny. 

In a world where Nintendo has to compete with Sony, Microsoft, and Apple/Android, turning one of them into an ally rather an enemey would be a big help IMO. But I think Miyamoto and several others are too stubborn and would see this as a sign of their own failure to accept such a result though. 



This thread is hilarious..



                
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