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IamAwsome said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:

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It will get AAA for the moment. If the gap becomes big enough and Sony work their PR magic with firms, you may find devs opting just for the PS4 for a few reasons (as already seen with many new IPs and studios).

Publishers go for both platforms due to market size, but as soon as on market is dominant and large enough, it might be more financially sound to just stick with one platform and give extra time into making a higher quality product rather than 2 average products.

And that leads to my second point - content. More can be done with the PS4 and if devs get to the point where they realise that to make a new game with new content (opposed to reboxing the same game and calling it a sequel), you need the power of the PS4. Epic games are very much in this category as they made UE4 on the notion that people were going to stop buying games as they were all the same and nothing new was being offered, ergo to sell a game, you need new features.

However, this is all detracting from the original point – xbone catching up to the ps4. As it currently stands, ergo forgetting my “possible” hypothesis, I can’t see any reason the xbone would match ps4 sales. Both are the same price yet the PS4 runs games better. Simply put, people I know who own a xbone have been disappointed. Those who own a PS4 have been very happy.

 

What major non-indie third party developers are releasing exclusive third party games? The only one I can think of is Square Enix (FFXIV), but that's on the PS3 so it's not a power gap issue. 

If the PS2 didn't shut out the other two consoles then what makes you think the PS4 will? Developers are a lot less financially stable now so they can't afford to ignore a console, no matter how big the gap appears to be. If games like Call of Duty actually made it to the Wii last gen, then AAA games will be on the XB1 for years to come. 

Yes the PS4 has more power, but do you really think developers will take time to actually add in a host of new things just for the PS4? Right now the only differences between multiplats are resolution, and sometimes colors. Also, there are plenty of XB1 games that are "new games with new content".  

The last thing I can agree on. The XB1 will not catch up unless Sony does something stupid. 


Erm, check your sig - the Order? =p   Also some of the best games have been small exclusives eg. Journey, SotC, or from new studios eg. God Of War Devs, Guerrilia Games, Naughty Dog and so on. The classic multiplats are rarely the games that people remember and are normally launched at a time to fill quiet periods - look at how CoD is doing now it has actual competition from games offering new content.

*Prediction* Now in a few years time when the xbone is offering still the same games as from launch in terms of content, graphics etc, and people become more accustom to better graphics, HD resolution, and 60 fps from their phones/tablets, people will move to the PS4 in larger numbers as their expectations will have been raised. Devs will follow the market, and also as seen, offering the same game in a different box no longer seems to sell and that died out with the 7th Gen. People want new content, and the xbone will struggle to deliver it due to its power limits. The PS4 will be able to reach that limit (only just though), thus should start reeling in the devs etc. 

Of course though this assumes that Publishers stop being moronic and actually opt for quality over size of market.....which is a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happens is that the PS4 gets gimped games and starts to suffer like the PC has for the last 7 years. This however will make exclusives look far more enticing and I would not be surprised if multiplats start to sell badly on the PS4 when the exclusive library picks up and give gamers a good way of comparing games.

 

Also reffering back to the PS2, those days were great as multiplat did not really exist, and the 2 consoles received different games, even if they were called the same name eg. Ghost reckon. The PS2 and xbox recieved uttlery different versions, with the PS2 being dire, and the xbox being great - and the power difference back then was tiny.



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TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:

~snip~

It will get AAA for the moment. If the gap becomes big enough and Sony work their PR magic with firms, you may find devs opting just for the PS4 for a few reasons (as already seen with many new IPs and studios).

Publishers go for both platforms due to market size, but as soon as on market is dominant and large enough, it might be more financially sound to just stick with one platform and give extra time into making a higher quality product rather than 2 average products.

And that leads to my second point - content. More can be done with the PS4 and if devs get to the point where they realise that to make a new game with new content (opposed to reboxing the same game and calling it a sequel), you need the power of the PS4. Epic games are very much in this category as they made UE4 on the notion that people were going to stop buying games as they were all the same and nothing new was being offered, ergo to sell a game, you need new features.

However, this is all detracting from the original point – xbone catching up to the ps4. As it currently stands, ergo forgetting my “possible” hypothesis, I can’t see any reason the xbone would match ps4 sales. Both are the same price yet the PS4 runs games better. Simply put, people I know who own a xbone have been disappointed. Those who own a PS4 have been very happy.

 

What major non-indie third party developers are releasing exclusive third party games? The only one I can think of is Square Enix (FFXIV), but that's on the PS3 so it's not a power gap issue. 

If the PS2 didn't shut out the other two consoles then what makes you think the PS4 will? Developers are a lot less financially stable now so they can't afford to ignore a console, no matter how big the gap appears to be. If games like Call of Duty actually made it to the Wii last gen, then AAA games will be on the XB1 for years to come. 

Yes the PS4 has more power, but do you really think developers will take time to actually add in a host of new things just for the PS4? Right now the only differences between multiplats are resolution, and sometimes colors. Also, there are plenty of XB1 games that are "new games with new content".  

The last thing I can agree on. The XB1 will not catch up unless Sony does something stupid. 


Erm, check your sig - the Order? =p   Also some of the best games have been small exclusives eg. Journey, SotC, or from new studios eg. God Of War Devs, Guerrilia Games, Naughty Dog and so on. The classic multiplats are rarely the games that people remember and are normally launched at a time to fill quiet periods - look at how CoD is doing now it has actual competition from games offering new content.

*Prediction* Now in a few years time when the xbone is offering still the same games as from launch in terms of content, graphics etc, and people become more accustom to better graphics, HD resolution, and 60 fps from their phones/tablets, people will move to the PS4 in larger numbers as their expectations will have been raised. Devs will follow the market, and also as seen, offering the same game in a different box no longer seems to sell and that died out with the 7th Gen. People want new content, and the xbone will struggle to deliver it due to its power limits. The PS4 will be able to reach that limit (only just though), thus should start reeling in the devs etc. 

Of course though this assumes that Publishers stop being moronic and actually opt for quality over size of market.....which is a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happens is that the PS4 gets gimped games and starts to suffer like the PC has for the last 7 years. This however will make exclusives look far more enticing and I would not be surprised if multiplats start to sell badly on the PS4 when the exlusive library picks up and give gamers a good way of comparing games.

 

Also reffering back to the PS2, those days were great as multiplat did not really exist, and the 2 consoles received different games, even if they were called the same name eg. Ghost reckon. The PS2 and xbox recieved uttlery different versions, with the PS2 being dire, and the xbox being great - and the power difference back then was tiny.

The Order is a first party game, and Ready at Dawn has been working with Sony for years. The PS4's power didn't affect that. 

You don't always have to have more power to deliver new, fresh games. Look at the Wii with Super Mario Galaxy, Boom Blox etc. and Splatoon on the Wii U. Even though the XB1 is weaker they still have games like Scalebound and Project Spark. More power doesn't always = more innovation. Sony already gets a lot of developer support, but the Xbox gets just as much support (except for indies, but that's not really a power issue). 

I doubt the PS4 will get straight-up gimped games like Watch Dogs. I just don't see this huge performance gap opening up like people say. 

Proof?



teigaga said:
Garland said:
teigaga said:
Garland said:

When the system is dominating like Xbox 360 was, yes. But it's not. 

Microsoft is already heading down back towards the Original Xbox where it's sales were very small. More people are picking up PS4's, & the gap between the sales of Xbox One & PS4 are getting bigger & bigger.


They really aren't. By the end of the year Xbox will be approaching 8-10m. Its really not comparable to the original Xbox and in 2015 it should be up YOY outside of January.

Microsoft can easily manage a worldwide baseline of 80-100k next year and the majority of that will come from north america. PS4 sales are irrelevant to Xbox's individual profitability, so it doesn't matter if the gap is increasing.

Sure, you keep thinking that, buddy.

Unless you're one of those people who think that next gen only 3rd party titles will have little to no effect on Xbox's future, I don't see how you're in dissagreement with me. Its a very safe prediction that XBox will be up next year because of WItch 3, Evolve and Battlefield 4, Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Devision, Star Wars etc. Not to mention the momentum its bound to have after holiday boosts like Halo MC collection, COD 1TB bundle, all the 3rd party titles like Dragon Age and the lessor exclusives like Spark and Sunset Overdrive. 

I could be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if it didn't manage at least 8m by years end, 400k in October and then another 2m between November and December. And of course doing most of the work would be North America which still carries the Xbox brand which is the only reason the System hasn't sold like complete trash(refer back to my original statement). 5.4m before its very 1st post launch holiday is not trash and more then what the 360 managed.

There's no proof that the install base for Xbox One is even near 8 million. It took Microsoft about 8 months (January to August) just for Xbox One to get another 2+ million owners worldwide after they've obtained 3 million worldwide during it's first 2 months of it's launch.

Plus the library is very subjective. If anything, there's not gonna be a big bump in Xbox One sales from a collection of 4 old Halo games.

COD 1 TB bundle? Probably.

Halo 5? After how Halo 4 turned out? People are gonna be cautious before spending $400 w/tax on the system for it.

Tomb Raider? Not exactly a huge selling IP. 

Plus most of the other 3rd party games that you mentioned are also on PS4, & will most likely sell more on PS4 there.



Garland said:

There's no proof that the install base for Xbox One is even near 8 million. It took Microsoft about 8 months (January to August) just for Xbox One to get another 2+ million owners worldwide after they've obtained 3 million worldwide during it's first 2 months of it's launch.

Plus the library is very subjective. If anything, there's not gonna be a big bump in Xbox One sales from a collection of 4 old Halo games.

COD 1 TB bundle? Probably.

Halo 5? After how Halo 4 turned out? People are gonna be cautious before spending $400 w/tax on the system for it.

Tomb Raider? Not exactly a huge selling IP. 

Plus most of the other 3rd party games that you mentioned are also on PS4, & will most likely sell more on PS4 there.

That's not the biggest problem either. What does X1 offer from January to Holidays 2015 that the PS4 doesn't have? Consumers aren't going to just sit tight and wait 9-10 months for Halo 5 and Tomb Raider. Sure, there will be 3rd party titles to help the X1 out, but the PS4 is the to-go platform for multiplats. They'll move PS4 hardware better than they'll move X1 hardware. Meanwhile, Bloodborne and The Order: 1886 will be coming out in February. Uncharted 4 will most likely be released next fall. Games like Wild, No Man's Sky, The Tomorrow Children, etc. will come out next year, too. Consumers buy consoles for multiple games, not just a select few.



Garland said:
teigaga said:
Garland said:
teigaga said:
Garland said:

When the system is dominating like Xbox 360 was, yes. But it's not. 

Microsoft is already heading down back towards the Original Xbox where it's sales were very small. More people are picking up PS4's, & the gap between the sales of Xbox One & PS4 are getting bigger & bigger.


They really aren't. By the end of the year Xbox will be approaching 8-10m. Its really not comparable to the original Xbox and in 2015 it should be up YOY outside of January.

Microsoft can easily manage a worldwide baseline of 80-100k next year and the majority of that will come from north america. PS4 sales are irrelevant to Xbox's individual profitability, so it doesn't matter if the gap is increasing.

Sure, you keep thinking that, buddy.

Unless you're one of those people who think that next gen only 3rd party titles will have little to no effect on Xbox's future, I don't see how you're in dissagreement with me. Its a very safe prediction that XBox will be up next year because of WItch 3, Evolve and Battlefield 4, Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Devision, Star Wars etc. Not to mention the momentum its bound to have after holiday boosts like Halo MC collection, COD 1TB bundle, all the 3rd party titles like Dragon Age and the lessor exclusives like Spark and Sunset Overdrive. 

I could be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if it didn't manage at least 8m by years end, 400k in October and then another 2m between November and December. And of course doing most of the work would be North America which still carries the Xbox brand which is the only reason the System hasn't sold like complete trash(refer back to my original statement). 5.4m before its very 1st post launch holiday is not trash and more then what the 360 managed.

There's no proof that the install base for Xbox One is even near 8 million. It took Microsoft about 8 months (January to August) just for Xbox One to get another 2+ million owners worldwide after they've obtained 3 million worldwide during it's first 2 months of it's launch.

Plus the library is very subjective. If anything, there's not gonna be a big bump in Xbox One sales from a collection of 4 old Halo games.

COD 1 TB bundle? Probably.

Halo 5? After how Halo 4 turned out? People are gonna be cautious before spending $400 w/tax on the system for it.

Tomb Raider? Not exactly a huge selling IP. 

Plus most of the other 3rd party games that you mentioned are also on PS4, & will most likely sell more on PS4 there.

Halo 5 is a big deal, I don't think we have any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Tomb Raider is a big selling Ip, obviously not halo levels or even uncharted but still big.

Destiny was also on the PS4 yet Xbox One numbers rose significantly at its launch. Just to reaffirm, the discussion isn't ''will Xbox sell more then PS4'', I'm talking about whether the system will achieve healthy sales or not and my believe that it can achieve mostly from US support. Its common people bring up the PS4s brilliant sales, but just because the DS massively outsold the PSP, doesn't mean the PSP done poorly.



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shouldn't this be in the microsoft section and not gaming section just to try and keep up appearances with these odd pleading threads

PS4 is doing blindingly well too despite all the Boxtrolls desperate for a sony failure, infact it is crunching up the box worldwide and beating it out in the last 2 safezones

people like jega are prominent vgc user alts i wonder who it is,a big ninbot or a major boxtroll



Slarty said:

shouldn't this be in the microsoft section and not gaming section just to try and keep up appearances with these odd pleading threads

PS4 is doing blindingly well too despite all the Boxtrolls desperate for a sony failure, infact it is crunching up the box worldwide and beating it out in the last 2 safezones

people like jega are prominent vgc user alts i wonder who it is,a big ninbot or a major boxtroll

No where in any of my threads do I say I want the Playstation 4 to fail. All too often people take my positive outlook on the Xbox One

to mean that it will be negative for the Playstation 4.

In fact I hope both the Playstation 4 sell near or over 100 million units. Just like how the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are 80 + million units.




I never stopped to realize that with the slight difference in resolution and sometimes frame-rate reviewers always give

both the Xbox One version and Playstation 4 version of multi-platform games the same score.

Wow never noticed that. That says alot.

Take notice people Microsoft may not know what gamers want, but they do know about hardware and software.



Both toast and jega threads today, I was already expecting it

Also, Forza Horizon 2 is coming to 360 too, not true-next gen at all.




And thanks the guys on here that are seeing where I am coming from.

I appreciate your support. Sorry I could not respond to all you comments.