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Nettles said:
Do some Americans just buy Xbox because Microsoft is an American company? I know that mentality is huge in Japan.


I don't. I just buy what I like.



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Nettles said:
Do some Americans just buy Xbox because Microsoft is an American company? I know that mentality is huge in Japan.

I am sure there is a very small amount that do, but it's not comparable at all to that mentality in Japan.

Also, on topic, of course it's doing very well. Just not as well as the PS4.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Nettles said:
Do some Americans just buy Xbox because Microsoft is an American company? I know that mentality is huge in Japan.

I am sure there is a very small amount that do, but it's not comparable at all to that mentality in Japan.

Also, on topic, of course it's doing very well. Just not as well as the PS4.


Nettles: I doubt it, a product being foreign hasn't stopped the US from making it a bestseller before.

Nettles and LudicrousSpeed: As someone who used to live in Japan, and can see the current sales of Apple and Samsung compared to their domestic cell phones, I can say that this mentality doesn't really exist at all*.

*Except for fresh food products, but I think that goes for any country - it's certainly prevalent in food marketing everywhere.



saarr_x said:
Xbox One is doing horrible in Europe, it's like non existent in Japan and it's doing ok in the US although it gets it's ass kicked by the PS4 over there too. It's absolutely not doing very well, just accept it.

Yep, XOne is doing ok(not very good) just in NA; in the rest of the World figures are very low.  Considering the 360 domination in NA last Gen, XBone is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.   

XOne Global selling numbers will be below the 360 figures very soon; the only reason why it's still above the 360 is the better Launch due to the HYPE which came from a far better console=360 ;)

The OP is all the time making a fool of himself, every time he starts a new Thread.  



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Harriet Tubman.

I wouldn't say it is doing very well, since the ps4 is doing very well, the xbone is doing fine.
Not great like the PS4 not bad like the Wii U just fine, hell perhaps it will be MS's first profitable console.



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These threads remain entertaining for now; eventually they may end up coming off as sad and even out of touch with reality, but I think the XBO deserves the benefit of the doubt through the holiday 2014 season.

I realize the natural tendency is to want to move the goalposts (the turnaround will happen in late 2015, then 2016, etc.), but there isn't much to indicate that the future of the XBO will be any sort of 180; if anything, it could result in MS abandoning the console space for the PC and Windows mobile devices that sync with living room HDTVs.

But to say that the XBO is doing "very well" is more denial than anything else. It has unquestionably performed below MS expectations. To say otherwise would be to claim that their plan for success was to be outsold by their chief competitor by a ratio of 2:1 in the first year with a parallel product launch.



TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:

TheJimbo1234 said:

 The PS4 has roughly 50% more power - that is a lot. This allows for more effects and mechanics eg destructible environments, use of particle physics, more objects on screen etc. People who think power only improves resolution need to either study or use a game engine to see how games actually work

I know about all of that stuff. The PS4 is more powerful, but it's not like the PS360 vs Wii. The XB1 will still get all of the big AAA games and whatnot. You talk about the power difference, but how many 3rd party devs will actually use this? Destiny looks better on PS4, but it's not something to run out and buy a PS4 over (not like Uncharted anyway), and I still don't understand what you mean by "varied game library". Most 3rd party devs put games on both consoles for financial reasons. 

It will get AAA for the moment. If the gap becomes big enough and Sony work their PR magic with firms, you may find devs opting just for the PS4 for a few reasons (as already seen with many new IPs and studios).

Publishers go for both platforms due to market size, but as soon as on market is dominant and large enough, it might be more financially sound to just stick with one platform and give extra time into making a higher quality product rather than 2 average products.

And that leads to my second point - content. More can be done with the PS4 and if devs get to the point where they realise that to make a new game with new content (opposed to reboxing the same game and calling it a sequel), you need the power of the PS4. Epic games are very much in this category as they made UE4 on the notion that people were going to stop buying games as they were all the same and nothing new was being offered, ergo to sell a game, you need new features.

However, this is all detracting from the original point – xbone catching up to the ps4. As it currently stands, ergo forgetting my “possible” hypothesis, I can’t see any reason the xbone would match ps4 sales. Both are the same price yet the PS4 runs games better. Simply put, people I know who own a xbone have been disappointed. Those who own a PS4 have been very happy.

 

What major non-indie third party developers are releasing exclusive third party games? The only one I can think of is Square Enix (FFXIV), but that's on the PS3 so it's not a power gap issue. 

If the PS2 didn't shut out the other two consoles then what makes you think the PS4 will? Developers are a lot less financially stable now so they can't afford to ignore a console, no matter how big the gap appears to be. If games like Call of Duty actually made it to the Wii last gen, then AAA games will be on the XB1 for years to come. 

Yes the PS4 has more power, but do you really think developers will take time to actually add in a host of new things just for the PS4? Right now the only differences between multiplats are resolution, and sometimes colors. Also, there are plenty of XB1 games that are "new games with new content".  

The last thing I can agree on. The XB1 will not catch up unless Sony does something stupid. 



IamAwsome said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:

~snip~

It will get AAA for the moment. If the gap becomes big enough and Sony work their PR magic with firms, you may find devs opting just for the PS4 for a few reasons (as already seen with many new IPs and studios).

Publishers go for both platforms due to market size, but as soon as on market is dominant and large enough, it might be more financially sound to just stick with one platform and give extra time into making a higher quality product rather than 2 average products.

And that leads to my second point - content. More can be done with the PS4 and if devs get to the point where they realise that to make a new game with new content (opposed to reboxing the same game and calling it a sequel), you need the power of the PS4. Epic games are very much in this category as they made UE4 on the notion that people were going to stop buying games as they were all the same and nothing new was being offered, ergo to sell a game, you need new features.

However, this is all detracting from the original point – xbone catching up to the ps4. As it currently stands, ergo forgetting my “possible” hypothesis, I can’t see any reason the xbone would match ps4 sales. Both are the same price yet the PS4 runs games better. Simply put, people I know who own a xbone have been disappointed. Those who own a PS4 have been very happy.

 

What major non-indie third party developers are releasing exclusive third party games? The only one I can think of is Square Enix (FFXIV), but that's on the PS3 so it's not a power gap issue. 

If the PS2 didn't shut out the other two consoles then what makes you think the PS4 will? Developers are a lot less financially stable now so they can't afford to ignore a console, no matter how big the gap appears to be. If games like Call of Duty actually made it to the Wii last gen, then AAA games will be on the XB1 for years to come. 

Yes the PS4 has more power, but do you really think developers will take time to actually add in a host of new things just for the PS4? Right now the only differences between multiplats are resolution, and sometimes colors. Also, there are plenty of XB1 games that are "new games with new content".  

The last thing I can agree on. The XB1 will not catch up unless Sony does something stupid. 


Erm, check your sig - the Order? =p   Also some of the best games have been small exclusives eg. Journey, SotC, or from new studios eg. God Of War Devs, Guerrilia Games, Naughty Dog and so on. The classic multiplats are rarely the games that people remember and are normally launched at a time to fill quiet periods - look at how CoD is doing now it has actual competition from games offering new content.

*Prediction* Now in a few years time when the xbone is offering still the same games as from launch in terms of content, graphics etc, and people become more accustom to better graphics, HD resolution, and 60 fps from their phones/tablets, people will move to the PS4 in larger numbers as their expectations will have been raised. Devs will follow the market, and also as seen, offering the same game in a different box no longer seems to sell and that died out with the 7th Gen. People want new content, and the xbone will struggle to deliver it due to its power limits. The PS4 will be able to reach that limit (only just though), thus should start reeling in the devs etc. 

Of course though this assumes that Publishers stop being moronic and actually opt for quality over size of market.....which is a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happens is that the PS4 gets gimped games and starts to suffer like the PC has for the last 7 years. This however will make exclusives look far more enticing and I would not be surprised if multiplats start to sell badly on the PS4 when the exclusive library picks up and give gamers a good way of comparing games.

 

Also reffering back to the PS2, those days were great as multiplat did not really exist, and the 2 consoles received different games, even if they were called the same name eg. Ghost reckon. The PS2 and xbox recieved uttlery different versions, with the PS2 being dire, and the xbox being great - and the power difference back then was tiny.



TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
IamAwsome said:

~snip~

It will get AAA for the moment. If the gap becomes big enough and Sony work their PR magic with firms, you may find devs opting just for the PS4 for a few reasons (as already seen with many new IPs and studios).

Publishers go for both platforms due to market size, but as soon as on market is dominant and large enough, it might be more financially sound to just stick with one platform and give extra time into making a higher quality product rather than 2 average products.

And that leads to my second point - content. More can be done with the PS4 and if devs get to the point where they realise that to make a new game with new content (opposed to reboxing the same game and calling it a sequel), you need the power of the PS4. Epic games are very much in this category as they made UE4 on the notion that people were going to stop buying games as they were all the same and nothing new was being offered, ergo to sell a game, you need new features.

However, this is all detracting from the original point – xbone catching up to the ps4. As it currently stands, ergo forgetting my “possible” hypothesis, I can’t see any reason the xbone would match ps4 sales. Both are the same price yet the PS4 runs games better. Simply put, people I know who own a xbone have been disappointed. Those who own a PS4 have been very happy.

 

What major non-indie third party developers are releasing exclusive third party games? The only one I can think of is Square Enix (FFXIV), but that's on the PS3 so it's not a power gap issue. 

If the PS2 didn't shut out the other two consoles then what makes you think the PS4 will? Developers are a lot less financially stable now so they can't afford to ignore a console, no matter how big the gap appears to be. If games like Call of Duty actually made it to the Wii last gen, then AAA games will be on the XB1 for years to come. 

Yes the PS4 has more power, but do you really think developers will take time to actually add in a host of new things just for the PS4? Right now the only differences between multiplats are resolution, and sometimes colors. Also, there are plenty of XB1 games that are "new games with new content".  

The last thing I can agree on. The XB1 will not catch up unless Sony does something stupid. 


Erm, check your sig - the Order? =p   Also some of the best games have been small exclusives eg. Journey, SotC, or from new studios eg. God Of War Devs, Guerrilia Games, Naughty Dog and so on. The classic multiplats are rarely the games that people remember and are normally launched at a time to fill quiet periods - look at how CoD is doing now it has actual competition from games offering new content.

*Prediction* Now in a few years time when the xbone is offering still the same games as from launch in terms of content, graphics etc, and people become more accustom to better graphics, HD resolution, and 60 fps from their phones/tablets, people will move to the PS4 in larger numbers as their expectations will have been raised. Devs will follow the market, and also as seen, offering the same game in a different box no longer seems to sell and that died out with the 7th Gen. People want new content, and the xbone will struggle to deliver it due to its power limits. The PS4 will be able to reach that limit (only just though), thus should start reeling in the devs etc. 

Of course though this assumes that Publishers stop being moronic and actually opt for quality over size of market.....which is a long shot. I wouldn't be surprised if what actually happens is that the PS4 gets gimped games and starts to suffer like the PC has for the last 7 years. This however will make exclusives look far more enticing and I would not be surprised if multiplats start to sell badly on the PS4 when the exlusive library picks up and give gamers a good way of comparing games.

 

Also reffering back to the PS2, those days were great as multiplat did not really exist, and the 2 consoles received different games, even if they were called the same name eg. Ghost reckon. The PS2 and xbox recieved uttlery different versions, with the PS2 being dire, and the xbox being great - and the power difference back then was tiny.

The Order is a first party game, and Ready at Dawn has been working with Sony for years. The PS4's power didn't affect that. 

You don't always have to have more power to deliver new, fresh games. Look at the Wii with Super Mario Galaxy, Boom Blox etc. and Splatoon on the Wii U. Even though the XB1 is weaker they still have games like Scalebound and Project Spark. More power doesn't always = more innovation. Sony already gets a lot of developer support, but the Xbox gets just as much support (except for indies, but that's not really a power issue). 

I doubt the PS4 will get straight-up gimped games like Watch Dogs. I just don't see this huge performance gap opening up like people say. 

Proof?



teigaga said:
Garland said:
teigaga said:
Garland said:

When the system is dominating like Xbox 360 was, yes. But it's not. 

Microsoft is already heading down back towards the Original Xbox where it's sales were very small. More people are picking up PS4's, & the gap between the sales of Xbox One & PS4 are getting bigger & bigger.


They really aren't. By the end of the year Xbox will be approaching 8-10m. Its really not comparable to the original Xbox and in 2015 it should be up YOY outside of January.

Microsoft can easily manage a worldwide baseline of 80-100k next year and the majority of that will come from north america. PS4 sales are irrelevant to Xbox's individual profitability, so it doesn't matter if the gap is increasing.

Sure, you keep thinking that, buddy.

Unless you're one of those people who think that next gen only 3rd party titles will have little to no effect on Xbox's future, I don't see how you're in dissagreement with me. Its a very safe prediction that XBox will be up next year because of WItch 3, Evolve and Battlefield 4, Halo 5, Tomb Raider, Devision, Star Wars etc. Not to mention the momentum its bound to have after holiday boosts like Halo MC collection, COD 1TB bundle, all the 3rd party titles like Dragon Age and the lessor exclusives like Spark and Sunset Overdrive. 

I could be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if it didn't manage at least 8m by years end, 400k in October and then another 2m between November and December. And of course doing most of the work would be North America which still carries the Xbox brand which is the only reason the System hasn't sold like complete trash(refer back to my original statement). 5.4m before its very 1st post launch holiday is not trash and more then what the 360 managed.

There's no proof that the install base for Xbox One is even near 8 million. It took Microsoft about 8 months (January to August) just for Xbox One to get another 2+ million owners worldwide after they've obtained 3 million worldwide during it's first 2 months of it's launch.

Plus the library is very subjective. If anything, there's not gonna be a big bump in Xbox One sales from a collection of 4 old Halo games.

COD 1 TB bundle? Probably.

Halo 5? After how Halo 4 turned out? People are gonna be cautious before spending $400 w/tax on the system for it.

Tomb Raider? Not exactly a huge selling IP. 

Plus most of the other 3rd party games that you mentioned are also on PS4, & will most likely sell more on PS4 there.