the jump is huge this time around as well. these are some of the best looking PS3 games VS some games still early in the PS4's life with each of these games being the first game for the dev on the platform. 

Of course the PS4 games look nicer.  But surely you don't think the visual difference is the same as PS2 vs 3?  SD vs HD was a dramatic change, as was the addition of online play.

I think this is a common misconception with most people. PS360 gen also started slowly. Mostjust don't remember that cause of its staggered launch with the 360 coming a year before the PS3. And in that year only like 5M people bought a 360 before the holiday boom for it which also just happened around the PS3 launch. A lot of people forget that the first COD game on the 360 was still a world war 2 themed game. 

Every gen starts off slow, with the true generational titles coming at best a year or two after the gen starts. There are just way more ways and it seems to be trending these days for people to vent and act all disgruntled and hate on everything now than there were back then.

By next year, we will all start to se games that we can all say beyond doubt could not have been made on last gen consoles. In all honesty, I still found it baffling how a game like MGS5:PP can run in any capacity on the PS360 . Until I watched the FF15 trailer. You can clearly see what kinda concessions were made to accomodate last gen hadware in MGS5 afetr watching the FF15 trailer.

if i were to compare early PS360 games with early PS4 games the difference would have been insane. online play has been here since the days of the dreamcast, and this gen will give us VR, which even if it wasnt succesfull, as a technology it will be a huge jump. 

Correct.

TheLastStarFighter just can't accept that PS360 started even slower. The reason he can't provide my 3 games-as-large-as-destiny is that there aren't any.

Watch_Dogs, Titanfall and Destiny aren't next-gen games.  They are on last gen.  Name me 3 exclusvie games for our new gen that are as impressive as GoW was for its time.

This time last gen there was no cross-gen blockbusters because cross-gen wasn't possible.  The new systems were that dramatically more powerful.

You mention "size", but that's really irrelivent to the tech.  FFXII was a "large" game, as were the PS2 GTA's.  Exclusive "large" games don't come out early in a gen because they take a lot of time, not tech.  The three "large" games you mentioned are on PS4 and One because they are ports of games that are also on PS360.

But if you want an example of an exclusive "large" game that was available at this time on last gen, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.  Or Bioshock.  And depending on your judgement of the timeframe, we'd be about to get Mass Effect, Halo 3 and Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime 3 would already be eating up hours in your Wii.

So now we're talking exclusives? You seem to like to jump from argument to argument in order to make yourself prove that last gen's launch window was better.

I'll leave you with just the answers to your statements but I won't engage further because it seems you don't remember much of what really happened last gen.

First and foremost, size and quality are all about tech. Kojima just showed in the TGS presentation how easily he could make an HD world using the FOX engine, cutting dev time by 20%. Just like you mentioned, those big games only came out later in the console cycle. That's because they take a lot of time and hardware power to make. But in this generation, the hardware and tech is making it EASY FOR DEVELOPERS TO MAKE BIG, HIGH QUALITY GAMES.

My main argument is simply that look, we got HUGE and MASSIVE open world games now just 1 year into this generation. We didn't have that last gen. I disagree that Watch Dogs, Titanfall, and Destiny were ported FROM PS360. No, they were ported TO PS360 FROM the current gen. We know that because the more complete content versions are on PS4 and ONE. Basically, it was possible to port them to PS360 because of the familiarity of devs. Please remember that PS360 is at the end of its cycle so devs are so familiar with it already so porting to those consoles isn't difficult anymore.

We didn't have anything close to something like Destiny last gen aside from Oblivion (Thank you for pointing that out). However, the rest of the stuff you mentioned doesn't qualify:

1. FFXII was produced super late in the PS2 cycle. Destiny came out within a year.
2. PS2 GTAs came out many years after the launch of the PS2. Destiny came out within a year.
4. Bioshock was a linear game that only took 8 hours to finish (leisurely).
5. Mass Effect came out in 2007, 2 years into the console cycle.
6. Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 aren't HD games so don't qualify, since my main argument is all about how Destiny is so huge and the graphics are so high quality.

So there, please just admit that at the first year of PS360, there were no big open world games that had great graphical quality aside from Oblivion (thank you again). I rest my case.

I disagree, in fact i find this gen underwhelming thus far.

The games you pointed have sold well, but they all have major flaws from my point of view. They are in fact the victory of marketing over quality, imo. There are indies that worth way more than them.

In fact indies are one of the few good "new" things so far.

Just to be clear, your whole argument on current gen beong off to a bad start is cause there are still cross platform games now?

If that is the case, I just wanna ask you what or how that affects a person that only owns a current gen console. I can understand that it means there are a lot of people that wouldn't need to make the jump to current gen, but for those that do, does it take away from how they enjoy a game cause someone else can play it on a last gen console?

You realize thats like saying a movie isn't good cause its not only available in HD.

Is it, off to a good start? The PS4 in sales terms perhaps. But, in terms of games it has been a disappointment fest and in terms of sales only one system seems to be doing well.