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Mr Puggsly on 21 September 2014
Fusioncode said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Their efforts made to be a serious competitor is appreciated as a X1 owner.

People say MS doesn't need Xbox, yet MS is doing a pretty damn good job supporting it.

Sony apparently doesn't need Vita, so they just let it die. Sony isn't listening to those fans.

Yeah because the XBO situtation is totally comparable to the Vita. 

*rolls eyes*

You're not even trying anymore are you?

The comparison is as simple as this.

X1 is struggling so MS is working hard to get it off the ground.

Vita is struggling so they're giving up in a relatively short period of time. That's a slap in the face to people that bought a Sony product expecting an average console life cycle.

MS caught shit for bailing on the OG Xbox after about 5 years. That's the least Sony could do for Vita.



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Mr Puggsly on 21 September 2014
wick said:
Not at all.

They never listened to consumers.

They responded to the abysmal pre-order numbers.


That's semantics.

People weren't happy with the product, so they are doing what consumers want and even going beyond with the game bundles.



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Areal-Llort on 21 September 2014

We live in a time where no matter what MS does, nearly everyone has to look at them negatively because it's the "cool thing" to do right now or whatever. If Sony were to make a mistake of some sort, a lot of people seem to let it slide regardless of how bad it is.



mornelithe on 21 September 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
wick said:
Not at all.

They never listened to consumers.

They responded to the abysmal pre-order numbers.


That's semantics.

People weren't happy with the product, so they are doing what consumers want and even going beyond with the game bundles.

Exactly, they aren't doing gamer's a solid, they're saving themselves from ruination of their gaming division.



oniyide on 21 September 2014
mornelithe said:
Mr Puggsly said:
wick said:
Not at all.

They never listened to consumers.

They responded to the abysmal pre-order numbers.


That's semantics.

People weren't happy with the product, so they are doing what consumers want and even going beyond with the game bundles.

Exactly, they aren't doing gamer's a solid, they're saving themselves from ruination of their gaming division.


not to mention they only changed way after the face. If they really listened they wouldnt have even tried in the first place or at least did a 180 after the reveal



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CosmicSex on 21 September 2014

No they don't deserve praise but neither does Sony or any other company. I thought listening to consumers was just good common sense.



Mr Puggsly on 21 September 2014
mornelithe said:
Mr Puggsly said:


That's semantics.

People weren't happy with the product, so they are doing what consumers want and even going beyond with the game bundles.

Exactly, they aren't doing gamer's a solid, they're saving themselves from ruination of their gaming division.


This kind of thinking is childish.

If Sony wanted to a "solid" they would throw in some free games as well. Surely they can afford it!

Sony wasn't doing anyone a solid when the PS3 was $599. I didn't get one until it was $250 with Uncharted 2 and GoWIII. Not because they were doing me a solid, but because that's what PS3 was worth to me.



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oniyide on 21 September 2014
Mr Puggsly said:
mornelithe said:
Mr Puggsly said:


That's semantics.

People weren't happy with the product, so they are doing what consumers want and even going beyond with the game bundles.

Exactly, they aren't doing gamer's a solid, they're saving themselves from ruination of their gaming division.


This kind of thinking is childish.

If Sony wanted to a "solid" they would throw in some free games as well. Surely they can afford it!

Sony wasn't doing anyone a solid when the PS3 was $599. I didn't get one until it was $250 with Uncharted 2 and GoWIII. Not because they were doing me a solid, but because that's what PS3 was worth to me.


stop getting off topic. this has nothing to do with Sony. If anything you are being childish



Mr Puggsly on 21 September 2014
oniyide said:
Mr Puggsly said:


This kind of thinking is childish.

If Sony wanted to a "solid" they would throw in some free games as well. Surely they can afford it!

Sony wasn't doing anyone a solid when the PS3 was $599. I didn't get one until it was $250 with Uncharted 2 and GoWIII. Not because they were doing me a solid, but because that's what PS3 was worth to me.


stop getting off topic. this has nothing to do with Sony. If anything you are being childish

 

Sony is part of the topic, they're the reason for MS being more compteitive (doing what consumers want).

Right?



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mornelithe on 21 September 2014
Mr Puggsly said:

This kind of thinking is childish.

If Sony wanted to a "solid" they would throw in some free games as well. Surely they can afford it!

Sony wasn't doing anyone a solid when the PS3 was $599. I didn't get one until it was $250 with Uncharted 2 and GoWIII. Not because they were doing me a solid, but because that's what PS3 was worth to me.

No, it's called having expectations as a consumer that companies won't intentionally seek to fuck you over.  Your kind of naivete is bad for the industry because it gives every company carte blanche to screw over the consumer, when in fact, it's the consumers job to reign these cocksuckers in when they step out of line.

Comparing the PS3 to the Xbox One or even the PS4 is a straw man, PS3 cost more than $240 per unit more than what they were charging.  If we were to apply that same model to current gen, the PS4 would be, what, $140.65?  Yeah, sorry, you can completely criticize Sony for developing 3 new technologies, and leveraging them through the PS3, absolutely.  But comparing the PS3's price to the PS4/XB1 is, well, ignorant of the facts.

To be fair though, Sony's initial movements after the launch of the PS3 to stave off more bleeding, wasn't for gamer's either, it was, as I said, to stave off the bleeding.  It took them years before they got close to a point where you could say they'd earned back gamer goodwill.  And gamer's were right to be annoyed.  Not everyone can just drop $599 on a gaming device.  Especially at that moment in human history.