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Experimental42 said:
It's way too early to hand the XB1 the silver medal. For all we know, Nintendo may pull their heads from their asses and try putting out a few of those newfangled advertisements and try marketing their titles going forward.


I saw a TV commercial for HyWa...

 

... Nintendo is saved!



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lolz



S.T.A.G.E. said:


No. MS is actually paranoid about coming second to Sony in any way shape or form which is why anytime you see Sony make a move MS responds.  When the 360 launched a year ahead did Sony respond? No. They waited until the hardware was ready. Phil Spencer might be a nice guy but Microsofts reasoning is not healthy at all. There is no spin, just accept the company as they are.

Yeah, Sony didn't respond immediately to 360 because they didn't take Xbox serious. Hence, 599 US DOLLARS! Sony now treats MS like a real competitor because they lost much of userbase in the 7th gen.

MS is competitive with a lot of things. Windows, phones, Bing, Xbox, etc. Sony is competitive as well, but they keep failing and losing money. They're becoming a smaller company now.



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CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No. MS is actually paranoid about coming second to Sony in any way shape or form which is why anytime you see Sony make a move MS responds.  When the 360 launched a year ahead did Sony respond? No. They waited until the hardware was ready. Phil Spencer might be a nice guy but Microsofts reasoning is not healthy at all. There is no spin, just accept the company as they are.

Microsoft insiders came out twice about Microsoft:

1. The old vice president about why Microsoft even joined the idustry.

2. The reason why the 360 was rushed while knowing the R&D wasn't complete to beat Sony a year ahead to market.

It was always because of Sony, never Nintendo and always because of either some competitiveness or vendetta for Sony not wanting to partner with them.


http://techreport.com/news/13974/microsoft-insider-xbox-360-was-rushed-to-market

Much agreed here. Even if that was still the case, Sony isn't losing billions to beat Xbox and are, currently, handily doing it. I only disagree with you regarding paranoia. I'm sure they know they will lose to Sony at this point (for a third time, mind you), but I believe being competitive, in general, is what they're after. 

The PS4 will remain #1. Not much else they can do to change that.

OT:  I actually hadn't noticed, but I think the systems will trade blows for a while, with the X1 taking a permanent lead by mid 2015.

STAGE always talks about how MS has a vendetta against Sony and wants to crush them. He thinks losing to Sony in a console arena is personal blow to MS and they will do anything to stop it. In reality, it seems MS just wants the Xbox to be a profitable endeavor and a market they can push other products on.

MS didn't even make a significant effort to stay ahead of PS3. To the contrary, Sony worked harder and spent more to catch up with 360.

If MS was as desperate to get ahead as STAGE thinks, well the X1 would have launched for $299.



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*Sound Of Rain said:
Xbox One will take 2nd place easily. How people can't see this is beyond me. It deserves to take 2nd as well.

Wii U > XBO for me but Wii U doesn't really deserve much success. It was handled terribly and gets like 15 games a year. Even if those 15 were amazing, it can't ever have the diversity that the XBO will have.

Once the games start coming, Wii U will be passed. It's inevitable.


To tell the truth, I disagree with this. The more I look at Xbone, the crappier it looks to me. I mean, just look at it - the design of this console is so poor, easily the worst out of all 3 consoles on the market. It's so big, bland and unappealing, which is a massive let down, considering the first Xbox 360 Slim was the sexiest console last gen (imo). Maybe once they redesign it, it's gonna improve, but at this point it's massive, doesn't allow you to change the internal HDD and isn't as powerful as a significantly smaller PS4. I don't think it really deserves much at this point. It's a poor work on part of both the MS engineers and designers.

I think Nintendo could be doing a much better job than it is now. Splatoon is no Metroid after all. But it has potential to become the go-to 2nd console (it will be my 2nd console) and that could just be enough. Remember - Wii U can grown in all 3 regions, while Xbone is limited only to NA. If Wii U grows by 10k in each, Xbone has to grow by 30k in America. This will be an interesting race, since both companies aim for different customers and need a different strategy. Xbone is probably the favourite, but Nintendo will put up a fight.

 

And as someone said it here, I hope Nintendo learns that at this point, they mean next to nothing on the market without having 3rd parties on board, so they can't afford any more of this crap with underpowered consoles that may be ok for Nintendo but give nothing to work with to the 3rd parties.



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Scisca said:

And as someone said it here, I hope Nintendo learns that at this point, they mean next to nothing on the market without having 3rd parties on board, so they can't afford any more of this crap with underpowered consoles that may be ok for Nintendo but give nothing to work with to the 3rd parties.


Its not power that moved third party away from Nintendo, its the image of Nintendo to the general public. Nintendo platforms simply do not work for the AAA warzone of huge-budgets, hype, and pre-orders for multiple reasons, the specs are the last reason. The NGC was the strongest console in its gen, didn't make much of a difference then either.

If anything, moving forward, Nintendo should embrace their new third party developers: indies and market the hits as they come as they did with Shovel Knight and others, like Shin'en games. Why bother with the unsustainable AAA format while all these studios race towards insolvency with larger and larger budgets like THQ, when you can support the plentiful indies.



Scisca said:

To tell the truth, I disagree with this. The more I look at Xbone, the crappier it looks to me. I mean, just look at it - the design of this console is so poor, easily the worst out of all 3 consoles on the market. It's so big, bland and unappealing, which is a massive let down, considering the first Xbox 360 Slim was the sexiest console last gen (imo). Maybe once they redesign it, it's gonna improve, but at this point it's massive, doesn't allow you to change the internal HDD and isn't as powerful as a significantly smaller PS4. I don't think it really deserves much at this point. It's a poor work on part of both the MS engineers and designers.

I think Nintendo could be doing a much better job than it is now. Splatoon is no Metroid after all. But it has potential to become the go-to 2nd console (it will be my 2nd console) and that could just be enough. Remember - Wii U can grown in all 3 regions, while Xbone is limited only to NA. If Wii U grows by 10k in each, Xbone has to grow by 30k in America. This will be an interesting race, since both companies aim for different customers and need a different strategy. Xbone is probably the favourite, but Nintendo will put up a fight.

And as someone said it here, I hope Nintendo learns that at this point, they mean next to nothing on the market without having 3rd parties on board, so they can't afford any more of this crap with underpowered consoles that may be ok for Nintendo but give nothing to work with to the 3rd parties.

The design matters little when it has the games. Yes, PS4 looks better, (IMO) is smaller, and more powerful but against the Wii U, it still did more right. It's a video game console after all. It laps it over and over again, in releases. (Quantity)

Nintendo is putting up a fight to stay relevant. Against the XBO? They could be trying harder. I don't blame them though, focusing on getting the next console right is probably best



Vena said:

Its not power that moved third party away from Nintendo, its the image of Nintendo to the general public. Nintendo platforms simply do not work for the AAA warzone of huge-budgets, hype, and pre-orders for multiple reasons, the specs are the last reason. The NGC was the strongest console in its gen, didn't make much of a difference then either.

 

The N64, GC, and Wii all got much more 3rd party support



CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

No. MS is actually paranoid about coming second to Sony in any way shape or form which is why anytime you see Sony make a move MS responds.  When the 360 launched a year ahead did Sony respond? No. They waited until the hardware was ready. Phil Spencer might be a nice guy but Microsofts reasoning is not healthy at all. There is no spin, just accept the company as they are.

Microsoft insiders came out twice about Microsoft:

1. The old vice president about why Microsoft even joined the idustry.

2. The reason why the 360 was rushed while knowing the R&D wasn't complete to beat Sony a year ahead to market.

It was always because of Sony, never Nintendo and always because of either some competitiveness or vendetta for Sony not wanting to partner with them.


http://techreport.com/news/13974/microsoft-insider-xbox-360-was-rushed-to-market

Much agreed here. Even if that was still the case, Sony isn't losing billions to beat Xbox and are, currently, handily doing it. I only disagree with you regarding paranoia. I'm sure they know they will lose to Sony at this point (for a third time, mind you), but I believe being competitive, in general, is what they're after. 

The PS4 will remain #1. Not much else they can do to change that.

OT:  I actually hadn't noticed, but I think the systems will trade blows for a while, with the X1 taking a permanent lead by mid 2015.


I have no problem with competition. If it gets dirty i'm safe, thankfully because I own both consoles and need one more (Wii U). I've never not owned an either in any generation outside of Nintendo, so I think I am due.  MS is going to try their best to get back to Sony and their best doesnt come without screw jobs and acquisitions. 



Vena said:
Scisca said:

And as someone said it here, I hope Nintendo learns that at this point, they mean next to nothing on the market without having 3rd parties on board, so they can't afford any more of this crap with underpowered consoles that may be ok for Nintendo but give nothing to work with to the 3rd parties.


Its not power that moved third party away from Nintendo, its the image of Nintendo to the general public. Nintendo platforms simply do not work for the AAA warzone of huge-budgets, hype, and pre-orders for multiple reasons, the specs are the last reason. The NGC was the strongest console in its gen, didn't make much of a difference then either.

If anything, moving forward, Nintendo should embrace their new third party developers: indies and market the hits as they come as they did with Shovel Knight and others, like Shin'en games. Why bother with the unsustainable AAA format while all these studios race towards insolvency with larger and larger budgets like THQ, when you can support the plentiful indies.


No, power is the source of all the trouble. Nintendo hardware can't run 3rd party games the way they are meant to be played. GCN was powerful, but that gen 3rd party multiplats were the exception and most 3rd party games were exclusive to one platform, so this argument is totally invalid. Previous gen was the first in which 3rd party games became multiplats by default, but Nintendo already decided to go its own way with hardware that was a gen behind in terms of power and wasn't compatible with the expectations and needs of 3rd parties and of the gamers interested in 3rd party games.

You have no idea why THQ went bust, do you? A little hint - it wasn't because of a AAA game with a massive budget, but a casual, gimmicky one that was designed for Wii and only later ported to PS360, but only Wii gamers cared about it. If they were just focusing on AAA games, they'd still be fine to this day.

If embracing indies was enough to make a console successful, Vita would be doing fine. It isn't, cause nobody is gonna buy a console to play indies. And stop fooling yourself, PS4 is the far and away leader when it comes to indies and Wii U won't win this market back from it. All they can do is fight to be on par, but that alone is not a sustainable business model and never will be.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.