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*Sound Of Rain said:
Xbox One will take 2nd place easily. How people can't see this is beyond me. It deserves to take 2nd as well.

Wii U > XBO for me but Wii U doesn't really deserve much success. It was handled terribly and gets like 15 games a year. Even if those 15 were amazing, it can't ever have the diversity that the XBO will have.

Once the games start coming, Wii U will be passed. It's inevitable.

Pretty much.  There are still things that could, theoretically, delay the inevitable for a while though, if they are a success - particularly amiibos and Mario Maker.  But even if the WiiU could manage to stay ahead past 2015 (hypothetically speaking), the XB1 would still sell more in the end simply because it will be on the market longer before a successor arrives.

I still maintain that WiiU is a better "second console" for many gamers because its offerings are unique and exclusive (unless, of course, you aren't interested at all in any of those offerings), but for someone who isn't a big Ninty fan or is just not interested in owning more than one system, it's impossible to deny the overwhelming number or games releasing on the PS4/XB1.



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Yep I agree with the OP.

I wish VGC had a better way to find old posts, because I wrote a few months ago that one big game on XB1 would erase the gain Wii U had since MK8.



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archbrix said:

Pretty much.  There are still things that could, theoretically, delay the inevitable for a while though, if they are a success - particularly amiibos and Mario Maker.  But even if the WiiU could manage to stay ahead past 2015 (hypothetically speaking), the XB1 would still sell more in the end simply because it will be on the market longer before a successor arrives.

I still maintain that WiiU is a better "second console" for many gamers because its offerings are unique and exclusive (unless, of course, you aren't interested at all in any of those offerings), but for someone who isn't a big Ninty fan or is just not interested in owning more than one system, it's impossible to deny the overwhelming number or games releasing on the PS4/XB1.

You are correct arch. Smash Bros, Amiibo, Mario Maker, and Splatoon could all become pretty big if handled correctly. Even so, Wii U will get passed for a multitude of reasons. This could get delayed as you said, but it's bound to happen. If Nintendo lacks the effort to try, it'll be sooner rather than later.

I also agree that the Wii U is best as a 2nd system. Simply for the local multiplayer games



Did people actually think the Wii U wouldn't be passed by the Xbox One? I thought this was something everyone agreed on. I thought all the arguments were whether the Xbox One passed the Wii U this year or next.



Like I said in another thread, I'll wait to see how the holidays treat both consoles to make a final decision. However, I'm pretty much giving up hope that the Wii U will stay 2nd. Nintendo could have made it a decent battle for 2nd, but decided not to fight aggressively, which will most likely be their downfall. What they should have done was dropped the price to $249 when MK8 came out, with plenty of bundles for either the same price or $269-$279. They should have also made SSB Wii U take priority over the 3DS version, that way it would have released first and not be affected by the 3DS release. And finally, they should really be pushing for their games to get finished sooner, since they don't have the same 3rd party support in between exclusive releases.



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Mr Puggsly said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


They just don't want to lose to Sony and they have Phil Spencer who will actually humble himself if need be. They have a paranoia about being behind Sony which is why they compromised the quality of the 360 knowing the development was not complete. If that had been anyone else in MS may god help us all.


Are you really putting a negative spin on being competitive? They aren't just competitive with Sony.

Sony didn't want to be behind MS either, which is why they lost billions getting PS3 off the ground.


No. MS is actually paranoid about coming second to Sony in any way shape or form which is why anytime you see Sony make a move MS responds.  When the 360 launched a year ahead did Sony respond? No. They waited until the hardware was ready. Phil Spencer might be a nice guy but Microsofts reasoning is not healthy at all. There is no spin, just accept the company as they are.

Microsoft insiders came out twice about Microsoft:

1. The old vice president about why Microsoft even joined the idustry.

2. The reason why the 360 was rushed while knowing the R&D wasn't complete to beat Sony a year ahead to market.

It was always because of Sony, never Nintendo and always because of either some competitiveness or vendetta for Sony not wanting to partner with them.


http://techreport.com/news/13974/microsoft-insider-xbox-360-was-rushed-to-market



XBOne is having an impressive comeback. But since last gen we saw that EACH player can have one, so I wouldn't rule out Wii U having one too. Right now, anyway, XBOne looks like it has better chances to grab 2nd place in the mid term than Wii U keeping it. In the short term, though, Wii U still has a decent lead, Ninty should do almost everything wrong to lose it before 2015.



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thismeintiel said:
Like I said in another thread, I'll wait to see how the holidays treat both consoles to make a final decision. However, I'm pretty much giving up hope that the Wii U will stay 2nd. Nintendo could have made it a decent battle for 2nd, but decided not to fight aggressively, which will most likely be their downfall. What they should have done was dropped the price to $249 when MK8 came out, with plenty of bundles for either the same price or $269-$279. They should have also made SSB Wii U take priority over the 3DS version, that way it would have released first and not be affected by the 3DS release. And finally, they should really be pushing for their games to get finished sooner, since they don't have the same 3rd party support in between exclusive releases.


A price-drop would have killed Nintendo, they can't keep losing money on the WiiU in vast quantities. Price drop may raise sales but at the cost of more money flushed down the drain (each sale costs money if you are selling at a loss). Nintendo isn't looking to sink billions into sales like Sony did with the PS3 on a salvage operation, that's a fools gambit and Nintendo doesn't have other divisions to cover such a thing. They will ride out the 10 million console backlog on the gamepad deal, and that's it. Whatever they sell after that they will sell at a profit and recoup as much losses as possible on the WiiU and software while streamlining their HD development and getting new developers trained with their Garage program. Cutting prices will only come once that backlog of consoles is cleared and/or the gamepad backlog is cleared through refurbs or replacements. Once the WiiU is at a comfortable profit margin on a sale, they will cut prices to spur on more software purchases of that has developed into the console's catalog, and try to repair as much of the loss as possible from the console.

And, no, 3DS >>>>>>>>>>>> WiiU for Smash priority. 45 million users vs. a struggling 7 million is an obvious choice, and we've seen the benefits of it already with over a million sold in two days. The returns on that are massive, and its free marketting for the WiiU HD version. The 3DS version coming out before or after is the same detriment in the end just that one way you get a huge sum of bonus handheld sales. It also gives the N3DS even more relevance with its controls, upgraded processing and memory capabilities, and general +s that can be exploited by Smash. It helps them make the N3DS look like a good upgrade, and will help curb market saturation by boosting sales on upgrades. The 3DS is profitable, is a leading platform, and the Vita is all but dead and abandoned by Sony and VitaTV is a flop and will flop. They have every reason to make their handheld as enticing and library packed as possible, WiiU be damned.

Nintendo could not push games out "sooner" even if they wanted, they got hit with the HD-development hurdle. These next couple of years before their fusion stuff hits the market will be a time of streamlining and learning to HD. If they do it right, they may whether the storm of imploding AAA development and be able to produce games at low budgets that still look fantastic and appeal to wide audiences without having to sink multi-tens of millions into nonsense.



ITT: having 2 giant bundles while the competition has nothing means the XB1 is going to lock second.

No sh*t the XB1 sold better. It just had one of the largest releases in gaming history, which was overhyped to hell and back, and the Wii U hasn't really had a new release in the West since May.

The holidays are huge, and the Wii U will likely outsell the XB1 for the season with the return of the MK8 bundle, a new Smash bundle, amiibo, fresh DLC, and a steady stream of new titles coming in on the buildup to Black Friday.

It's way too early to hand the XB1 the silver medal. For all we know, Nintendo may pull their heads from their asses and try putting out a few of those newfangled advertisements and try marketing their titles going forward.



The interesting part is that MS is not really doing anything right, but just being able to play third party games is a huge difference.

Hope Nintendo learns with this. They deserved to do better (imo), but not having CoDs, ACs, Battlefields just cost too much.