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Forums - Politics Discussion - Scotland: NO to Independence. 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. Salmond resigns, woo hoo!

As well as tuition fees, prescriptions are also free in Scotland. But I don't get how this is "milking the English taxpayer".

There have been tradeoffs for both. Over 100,000 college places have been dropped to continue funding free tuition fees. Scotland get a set pot for Education, they just choose how that pot is spent. They have had to make compromises to keep free tuition, and personally I think they should have started charging fees rather than remove the chance of further education from like 130,000 school leavers next year.

We don't have free prescriptions, but that £8? people in England pay for their prescriptions goes back into the English NHS's health budget, that is then reinvested in funding cancer treatment. This is why England has better a Cancer treatment track record than Scotland has. Scotland choose to keep prescriptions free so they don't get that extra NHS funding.

It's all trade offs. It's just the SNP did a much better job of promoting the benefits of their stance.

The Welsh have a devolved NHS too, Labour have managed to run that into the ground with equivalent funding to the English NHS. More power doesn't mean your politicians will do a better job no matter how much Scottish independence was sold as just that.



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kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

when i posted as i far as i knew, he said he wouldn't resign but instead finish as term of office. He must of changed his mind. 

Also why good riddance?! He was far better than any of the twats who are supposed to represent England. At least he tried to keep to his word

I just really hope people make westminster keep to their word about federalisation. Politicians are just wankers for trying to shaft people already  


Well thats your opinion. I think Salmond was a twat. An intellectual lightweight with a far too left agenda.


...whose party was elected into Holyrood in 2007 with a landslide victory. Who spent his entire political career pushing for an agenda for those who supported him, which he delivered to them on Thursday. Job done, he did what he promised. Gave Scotland the choice.



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kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

when i posted as i far as i knew, he said he wouldn't resign but instead finish as term of office. He must of changed his mind. 

Also why good riddance?! He was far better than any of the twats who are supposed to represent England. At least he tried to keep to his word

I just really hope people make westminster keep to their word about federalisation. Politicians are just wankers for trying to shaft people already  


Well thats your opinion. I think Salmond was a twat. An intellectual lightweight with a far too left agenda.

Far too left to you but common sense to the vast majority who voted for him and even those who couldn't vote for him. 

Whats wrong with a bit of social justice? 



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kowenicki said:

...and rightly so.

Bye bye Salmond. Do the right thing... retire and be quiet.

 

 

BBC:  Scottish referendum: Scotland votes no to independence


12 minutes ago

 

Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters decisively rejected independence.

With 31 out of the country's 32 council areas having declared after Thursday's vote, the 'No' side has an unassailable lead of 1,914,187 votes to 1,539,920.

The winning total needed was 1,852,828. Nationally, the margin of victory is about 55% to 45%.

The vote is the culmination of a two-year campaign. Talks will now begin on devolving more powers to Scotland.

Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond, has said he accepts his defeat.

He said: "It is important to say that our referendum was an agreed and consented process and Scotland has by a majority decided not at this stage to become an independent country.

"I accept that verdict of the people and I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland."

Mr Salmond called on the main unionist parties to make good on their promises of greater powers being devolved to the Scottish Parliament.

 

 

This margin of victory for the Better Together campaign is greater than that anticipated by the final opinion polls.

Glasgow, Scotland's largest council area and the third largest city in Britain, voted in favour of independence by 194,779 to 169,347, with Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voting "Yes".

But Edinburgh, the nation's capital, rejected independence by 194,638 to 123,927, while Aberdeen City voted "No" by a margin of more than 20,000 votes. There have also been big wins for the pro-UK campaign in many other areas.

Results graphic
Mr Salmond's deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said in an earlier concession statement that there was a "real sense of disappointment that we have fallen narrowly short of securing a 'Yes' vote".

She told the BBC the projected result was "a deep personal and political disappointment" but said "the country has been changed forever".

Ms Sturgeon said she would work with "anyone in any way" to secure more powers for Scotland.

Prime Minister David Cameron said: "I've spoken to Alistair Darling (head of the pro-UK Better Together campaign) - and congratulated him on a well-fought campaign."

Mr Cameron is expected to respond to Scotland's decision in a live televised address following the final result.


Pfft. We (US) fought and won our independence hundreds of years ago with nothing but untrained civilians, a few rusty muskets and guts. What a bunch of sissies! lol



I fail to see how this is a "Woo hoo!" moment.

It also wasn't a huge margin. 45% (mostly the young people) voting in favor of Independence, is pretty damn significant, and you can be sure this will come up again in the future. There is certainly an argument to be made that Scotland could potentially be better off on it's own, and there are benefits to "building your own country". But regardless, I would hardly say it was any kind of landslide defeat, and there is nothing whatsoever wrong with people wanting to have an independent, not dependent country.

When the older, more conservative generations die off, and the more educated, more open minded youth grow up and take over, I am almost certain you will eventually see things like an independent Scotland and a unified Ireland, etc.



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kowenicki said:
trashleg said:
kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
 

when i posted as i far as i knew, he said he wouldn't resign but instead finish as term of office. He must of changed his mind. 

Also why good riddance?! He was far better than any of the twats who are supposed to represent England. At least he tried to keep to his word

I just really hope people make westminster keep to their word about federalisation. Politicians are just wankers for trying to shaft people already  


Well thats your opinion. I think Salmond was a twat. An intellectual lightweight with a far too left agenda.


...whose party was elected into Holyrood in 2007 with a landslide victory. Who spent his entire political career pushing for an agenda for those who supported him, which he delivered to them on Thursday. Job done, he did what he promised. Gave Scotland the choice.

...and lost. 

 

 

Even so it would be unwise for westminister to ignore at least 1.6 million people. They won't get independence obviously but they want further autonomy and devolution. The same with alot of no voters (very few people want things to stay exactly the same as now). Few Scots, yet alone Brits are satisified with the balance of power in British politics  



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DevilRising said:
I fail to see how this is a "Woo hoo!" moment.

It also wasn't a huge margin. 45% (mostly the young people) voting in favor of Independence, is pretty damn significant, and you can be sure this will come up again in the future. There is certainly an argument to be made that Scotland could potentially be better off on it's own, and there are benefits to "building your own country". But regardless, I would hardly say it was any kind of landslide defeat, and there is nothing whatsoever wrong with people wanting to have an independent, not dependent country.

When the older, more conservative generations die off, and the more educated, more open minded youth grow up and take over, I am almost certain you will eventually see things like an independent Scotland and a unified Ireland, etc.

We'll see but i agree there. I think 45% was pretty decent amount for independence given the odds stacked against it. The whole mainstream media scaremongered, the vast majority of the political elite grew very deseparate and stuff like that. Independence wasn't really taken seriously in Scotland till it got a parliament in 1997. The whole thing would of been impossible without the SNP.  

Either way, it would have been a huge gamble. There were a few big questions left unanswered and i guess most people weren't really to risk it (especially if they already had a stake in society) Probably why working class areas like Glasgow supported independence so much 



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spurgeonryan said:
So now what? Business as usual?

Not likely as much as parliament wants it to be. But there are talks of devolution and federalisation for scotland (and maybe other areas of Britain) from next year but apart from having control on raising tax. I'm not sure how far they will go. 

Parliament promised devolution to get people to vote no and it seemingly worked but they seem to be going back on their promises already from the looks of it but we'll see. As i said business as usual isn't likely, the result wasn't deceisive at all 



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the2real4mafol said:

Even so it would be unwise for westminister to ignore at least 1.6 million people. 


They've spent decades ignoring far more people in the North of England. Yorkshire and Lancashire alone accounting for 10m people...



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Ka-pi96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
My own personal plan for the way forward is to dump the EU and open the borders to Australia, NZ, Canada, West Indies/Caribbean, Ireland and maybe the US. Papa New Guinea too if they do a bit of updating. Do it unilaterally if necessary. Complete free trade, maybe a subsidy or two to get the ball rolling.

UK gives up it's seat on the UN to be replaced by the Commonwealth. 100M+ of the most successful (RICHEST) nations on the planet. Canada and Australia can outvote the UK if necessary. All on the condition that france loses it's seat to the EU. The nukes get moved to Newcastle, the Falklands and Oz if they want them. Can't trust the Scots anymore.

A big problem with that is the distance between the countries. The EU works for business because of the proximity between all the countries so trade is easy. It probably has expanded to some of the poorer countries too fast, but once it starts to stabalise the EU will be very beneficial once again.

Also... why do you hate France and want them out of the EU?


Distance, lol. Do you know who the English are? We're not Mongols or Romans. The seas have always been more favourable to us than the landed folk. Our ports are the most successful nations in the known Universe.

I don't want france out of the EU. I want flance to lose it's seat on the security council. I couldn't care less about flence. It has no business being considered equal to the UK. They're responsible for half of 'the West's' problems today, from Versaille to Vietnam.

Let Germany rule Europe and freedom lovers the world outside.



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