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Forums - Politics Discussion - Scotland: NO to Independence. 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. Salmond resigns, woo hoo!

A crying shame. I would love to have observed the results of such a move.



 

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1.6M people is 2.5% of the UK population.

There are more English people who wanted the Scots to go independent than Scots.

Devo-max all round is gonna be such a disaster. With health, education, welfare and income tax powers devolved, what exactly is the UK parliament going to do? War and spying?

~85% of the time is going to be English only. What's the point?

Can't wait for a Labour UK government unable to raise taxes because it's blocked by the SNP in Scotland and the Tory party in England. Disraeli tried English votes on English Laws with Ireland. Didn't work out well at all.

Meanwhile it's all kicking off in Glasgow tonight. Anyone suprised?



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My own personal plan for the way forward is to dump the EU and open the borders to Australia, NZ, Canada, West Indies/Caribbean, Ireland and maybe the US. Papa New Guinea too if they do a bit of updating. Do it unilaterally if necessary. Complete free trade, maybe a subsidy or two to get the ball rolling.

UK gives up it's seat on the UN to be replaced by the Commonwealth. 100M+ of the most successful (RICHEST) nations on the planet. Canada and Australia can outvote the UK if necessary. All on the condition that france loses it's seat to the EU. The nukes get moved to Newcastle, the Falklands and Oz if they want them. Can't trust the Scots anymore.



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:
"Mr Salmond's deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said in an earlier concession statement that there was a "real sense of disappointment that we have fallen narrowly short of securing a 'Yes' vote"

Lol, 10 % difference is not narrowly short.


It was a 5% swing. Which is certainly not a major proportion.

MikeRox said:
Its important to remember 45% didn't want independence. A good chunk of them wanted to stick it to the Tories and to hell with the consequences.

Hopefully it might finally make the main parties realise there is discourse with the current status quo throughout the UK though. But somehow I doubt it. Until a week before a referendum suddenly 51% of the UK became in favour of abolishing parliament...

Look at the 9th point on this list.

the2real4mafol said:
kumagawa said:
I hate this! They want more independence powers but won't take full independence as long as they can milk the English taxpayer.

I don't get why people assume this. Apart from free university, how are they supposedly milking us English people? 

Thank you for this respectful comment. I was told to go kill myself by somebody on youtube, because he assumed I was a Yes voter.

Pyro as Bill said:
1.6M people is 2.5% of the UK population.

There are more English people who wanted the Scots to go independent than Scots.


Meanwhile it's all kicking off in Glasgow tonight. Anyone suprised?

Italics: Not surprising that a higher number of English than Scots, given the MASSIVE difference in population. Scotland only has 8.3 million people, less than 5 million of which are registered to vote and, from the turnout, 45% of which were pro-independence. I'm sure if you polled the English, you would not have a 45% pro-independence return. 

Glasgow: No, I'm not. Sadly, Sectarianism and extreme unionism has reared its ugly head. A shameful display from the "winners" which I hope is made up for in future days with tolerance and understanding, and a desire to work together.

Sorry for the long post. Even though I was open-minded about the results of this referendum, my country is more divided than ever before. I hope we can move forward together and overhaul Westminster politics.



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trashleg said:

Glasgow: No, I'm not. Sadly, Sectarianism and extreme unionism has reared its ugly head. A shameful display from the "winners" which I hope is made up for in future days with tolerance and understanding, and a desire to work together.

Sorry for the long post. Even though I was open-minded about the results of this referendum, my country is more divided than ever before. I hope we can move forward together and overhaul Westminster politics.

The latter was going to happen regardless. It is the nature of this kind of thing but it also means that the country is more likely to have independence on it's mind at all times, if it wants to ever try for Independence again. Now with Salmond gone, Scottish parliament won't be focusing on Independence anytime soon so they can focus on Scotland instead, help and support Scotland and help the rest of the country rid us of the Tories.

On the former, I didn't even know such a thing as extreme unionism existed (I guess it does thinking about Irish issues), arrogance of idiots is something that knows no bounds. Of course as a pacifist in general, I find the idea of rallying or being part of some kind of mob weird, so what these idiots are up to baffles me.

 

Good luck on the degree/masters/doctorate btw.



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The Fury said:

The latter was going to happen regardless. It is the nature of this kind of thing but it also means that the country is more likely to have independence on it's mind at all times, if it wants to ever try for Independence again. Now with Salmond gone, Scottish parliament won't be focusing on Independence anytime soon so they can focus on Scotland instead, help and support Scotland and help the rest of the country rid us of the Tories.

On the former, I didn't even know such a thing as extreme unionism existed (I guess it does thinking about Irish issues), arrogance of idiots is something that knows no bounds. Of course as a pacifist in general, I find the idea of rallying or being part of some kind of mob weird, so what these idiots are up to baffles me.

 

Good luck on the degree/masters/doctorate btw.

The SNP are still the leading party, there will just be a new leader. I reckon it'll be Nicola Sturgeon, unless they go for a fresh new face to lead future generations. 

Thanks, the degree is in the bag, I skipped the masters and the doctorate is killing me  

THere are people who wanted to be part of the union, and then there are the crazy fuckers who set fire to Scotland's flag. Scottish people. Doing this. They've associated themselves with the no campaign, much to the latter's chagrin. 



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
kowenicki said:
DanneSandin said:
Man, I always try to align myself with Scotland in Europa Universalis, because I hate it when England grows too big and powerful - I always try to hinder the creation of Great Britain as much as possible. I usually also try to help Burgundy against France whenever possible.


I think you are a bit late... it happened in 1707.

 

Noooo! We must stop them from totally dominating the seas! I need to form an alliance with France and Spain, if we combine our fleets, then maybe....



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kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
Also, two last things.

Salmond isn't going anyway unless he gets voted out in the next Scottish elections

And also that incredible turnout of 86% isn't probably happening again unless far more is done to get people involved and make it feel worthwhile to them. If anything it proves people do care about politics but most of it is dictated to them and they aren't really listened to as the establishment is very out of touch with society.


Really?

He has already resigned from the leadership of the SNP and as First Minister....

Scottish referendum: Salmond to go after Scotland No vote

Alex Salmond is to step down as Scottish first minister after voters decisively rejected independence.

He will also resign as leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP) after the "No" side won Thursday's referendum by 2,001,926 to 1,617,989 for "Yes".

The national split of the vote was 55% for "No" to 45% for "Yes".

Mr Salmond said: "For me as leader my time is nearly over, but for Scotland the campaign continues and the dream shall never die."

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister David Cameron said the pro-Union Westminster parties would now deliver their campaign pledge to boost the powers of Scotland's devolved parliament.

Speaking from Bute House in Edinburgh, the first minister's official residence, Mr Salmond told journalists: "I am immensely proud of the campaign that Yes Scotland fought and particularly of the 1.6 million voters who rallied to that cause."

Mr Salmond, 59, who has led his party for a total of 20 years, also said there were a "number of eminently qualified and very suitable candidates for leader", although the current deputy first minister Nicola Sturgeon, also deputy SNP leader, is seen as a clear frontrunner.

Ms Sturgeon said she could "think of no greater privilege than to seek to lead the party I joined when I was just 16," but insisted she would not make an announcement today.

She added: "Alex Salmond's achievements as SNP leader and Scotland's first minister are second to none. He led the SNP into government and has given our country a renewed self confidence."

Mr Salmond said he would resign as SNP leader at the party's conference in November, and then stand down as first minister when the party elected its next leader in a membership ballot.

But Mr Salmond, who will stay on as MSP for Aberdeenshire East, added: "It has been the privilege of my life to serve Scotland as first minister.

"But, as I said often during the referendum campaign, this is not about me or the SNP. It is much more important than that.

"The position is this. We lost the referendum vote but can still carry the political initiative. More importantly Scotland can still emerge as the real winner."

Mr Salmond also used his resignation statement to question Mr Cameron's more powers pledge.

when i posted as i far as i knew, he said he wouldn't resign but instead finish as term of office. He must of changed his mind. 

Also why good riddance?! He was far better than any of the twats who are supposed to represent England. At least he tried to keep to his word

I just really hope people make westminster keep to their word about federalisation. Politicians are just wankers for trying to shaft people already  



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Ka-pi96 said:
Salmond gone as well? Woooo!

Now, Farage and Johnson need to go as well and all will be well

They all need to go to be honest 



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trashleg said:
the2real4mafol said:
kumagawa said:
I hate this! They want more independence powers but won't take full independence as long as they can milk the English taxpayer.

I don't get why people assume this. Apart from free university, how are they supposedly milking us English people? 

Thank you for this respectful comment. I was told to go kill myself by somebody on youtube, because he assumed I was a Yes voter.

You always get nutters like that and that is what youtube is like mostof the time unfortunately. No logic or respect to be found there 



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