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Scotland: NO to Independence. 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. Salmond resigns, woo hoo!

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kowenicki said:
Just had to listen to Brian Cox (who lives in New York for most of the year but keeps a home in a nice part of Edinburgh) spout on about how it should have been a YES vote. Easy for him to say, he can vote yes then fly back to Manhattan leaving the chaos behind. Is there anything worse than when the media asks celebrities about politics? Really grinds my gears.

Andy Murray has lost fans, no doubt.



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The Fury said:
kowenicki said:
Just had to listen to Brian Cox (who lives in New York for most of the year but keeps a home in a nice part of Edinburgh) spout on about how it should have been a YES vote. Easy for him to say, he can vote yes then fly back to Manhattan leaving the chaos behind. Is there anything worse than when the media asks celebrities about politics? Really grinds my gears.

Andy Murray has lost fans, no doubt.


What did he say?  He isnt that popular anyway so I doubt he has done much harm.  I dont mind him to be honest.  I think its hilarious when Sctoland are shit at sport so why shouldnt he be allowed to think the same about England?



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kowenicki said:

What did he say?  He isnt that popular anyway so I doubt he has done much harm.  I dont mind him to be honest.  I think its hilarious when Sctoland are shit at sport so why shouldnt he be allowed to think the same about England?

It's weird, when someone sees him not do well, they say 'Well he's Scottish.' then when he does well, 'He's British', which is backwards anyway. As someone who represents GBR in everything he is in, he should remain impartial as he also live outside Scotland and had no vote, however:



Hmm, pie.

Could Schotland even sustain itself if it went independant? I don't know anything about the economy.. or would Europe have to spring in like Spain, Greece etc



 

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The Fury said:
kowenicki said:

What did he say?  He isnt that popular anyway so I doubt he has done much harm.  I dont mind him to be honest.  I think its hilarious when Sctoland are shit at sport so why shouldnt he be allowed to think the same about England?

It's weird, when someone sees him not do well, they say 'Well he's Scottish.' then when he does well, 'He's British', which is backwards anyway. As someone who represents GBR in everything he is in, he should remain impartial as he also live outside Scotland and had no vote, however:


Thats a very silly thing for him to post.  Did he tweet that from his Florida home? 

How much money has UK Tennis thrown at him to make him what he is.  Changed my mind... the ungrateful twat! lol



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NiKKoM said:
Could Schotland even sustain itself if it went independant? I don't know anything about the economy.. or would Europe have to spring in like Spain, Greece etc


No they couldnt and Europe would have turned its back for sure.  They cant afford another dog economy to join.

The UK spends at least £1600 per annum more on every individual Scot than it does on the English.  It is subsidised heavily.



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NiKKoM said:
Could Schotland even sustain itself if it went independant? I don't know anything about the economy.. or would Europe have to spring in like Spain, Greece etc

There were too many unknowns truely. It could because of potential oil money, if invested correctly but there are many things that may also have to occur, taxes may go up, cuts made or current policies dropped. But with no official currency, some of their main banks being in UK government hands due to bail outs (so they'd split ownership but still) and taking on 8-10% of the UK national debt, again too many unknowns.



Hmm, pie.

kowenicki said:
NiKKoM said:
Could Schotland even sustain itself if it went independant? I don't know anything about the economy.. or would Europe have to spring in like Spain, Greece etc


No they couldnt and Europe would have turned its back for sure.  They cant afford another dog economy to join.

The UK spends at least £1600 per annum more on every individual Scot than it does on the English.  It is subsidised heavily.


The tax per person is Scotland is higher than the tax per person across the rest of the UK. That's not Scotland being subsidised.

Scotland is running a budget deficit, but so is England, so is Wales and so is Northern Ireland.

 

For 4 out of the last 5 years, Scotland has had a lower budget deficit than the average across the UK.



GreyianStorm said:
kowenicki said:
NiKKoM said:
Could Schotland even sustain itself if it went independant? I don't know anything about the economy.. or would Europe have to spring in like Spain, Greece etc


No they couldnt and Europe would have turned its back for sure.  They cant afford another dog economy to join.

The UK spends at least £1600 per annum more on every individual Scot than it does on the English.  It is subsidised heavily.


The tax per person is Scotland is higher than the tax per person across the rest of the UK. That's not Scotland being subsidised.


Nope, thats old and was a skewed view anyway, thats just about oil.  For a more accurate and recent picture... read this:

 

Scots each receive almost £1,300 more public spending than the English despite a sharp drop in the taxes they pay to the UK Exchequer, according to official figures unveiled by Alex Salmond that cast doubt on his case for independence.

Scotland’s deficit – the difference between spending and taxes raised north of the Border– spiralled to 8.3 per cent of GDP in 2012/13, the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) has found.

While tax revenues were £800 higher per head in Scotland than the UK as a whole, public spending was £1,267 more per person north of the Border.

The deterioration in Scotland’s finances was caused by a sudden £4.4 billion drop in revenue from oil – a 41.5 per cent fall in North Sea revenues compared to the previous year.

The UK’s deficit fell to 7.3 per cent of GDP over the same period, the report said, leaving Scotland deeper in the red to the tune of £1.5 billion or £283 per person.

The GERS figures showed Scotland accounted for around £65 billion of public expenditure in 2012/13 while generating £53 billion of taxes.

Its public spending deficit increased to £12 billion from the previous year’s figure of £8.5 billion. Over the same period the UK’s deficit fell by around £2.6 billion.

Scotland now accounts for 9.3 of the UK’s public spending and 9.1 per cent of the taxes paid to the Exchequer.




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Not surprised as common sense which sadly isn't so common would have alarm bells ringing, Salmond was basically building an entire stance on people disliking the Tories and Nationalism while not actually giving any idea of how Scotland will deal with other pressing issues like the infrastruture if yes was voted.

All the Banks were going to relocate into England, all the money they hold would be relocated as well, a number of businesses would have relocated as well, the oil companies were stating that the oil belongs to the company and not any government and that they shouldn't bank on solely relying on it, any business done from Scotland would now face a number of taxes, Scots would be subject to immigration laws and it doesn't help that a lot of the higher education venues are located in England etc...

Too many unknowns.