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kowenicki said:

And Mel Gibson is just a very, very small "Scottish" man with a huge chip on his shoulder who occasionally beats women up.

 


At least he knows what women want.



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kowenicki said:
Wright said:

Don't know about Basque Country, but Catalonia wants to keep on going with the independence regardless of the referendum.


Surely any vote to split would be the final nail in the Spanish economy.  It would be catastrophic wouldnt it?


I think Spain would be able to "carry on", but extreme adjustments would be needed, which would eventually lead to the ship sinking even faster. What I'm curious about is if Catalonia could hold up with themselves only.



Wright said:
kowenicki said:

And Mel Gibson is just a very, very small "Scottish" man with a huge chip on his shoulder who occasionally beats women up.

At least he knows what women want.

So far, this is Pun of the Day. Well done.



Hmm, pie.

kowenicki said:

Presumably its the wealthiest region?  But probably the highest spending too?


According to 2013's PIB, Madrid is the wealthiest region; coincidentally, it is also the one with the least taxes. Despite Catalonia's huge amount of taxes, it is the second country in the list, which is what pushes them for independence.

 

EDIT: THat being said, Basque Country's citizens are the ones that perceive the most (PIB's over 30,000), but fiscal problems and taxes bring the global economy of the region down.



Expected it closer but still, if only every tenth No voter would have voted Yes, it would be more Yes votes and that is a number which could easily happen if just the political situation would only change a little and a few more people would be mad about their situation right now (whatever reason that would be)



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kowenicki said:


Interesting.  A YES vote from Catalonia (given the chance) would be horrific then.


I made a small edit back there (Just to add Basque Country); but regarding this statement, it definitively would. Catalonia contributes to Spain's economy in a huge way, and has an active political career on the Congress of Deputies.

 

I've heard from several sources that Catalonia's independence would actually take them to bankrupt, and it would be helpful to Spain since the economy system has established that Spain contributes more to Catalonia than the other way around. I don't agree with this theory, but it all depends on what Spain would do in case Catalonia chooses to abandon Spain.

 

I know we would be fucked, for example. I live on the Canary Islands and we're already fucked, despite the special economy system built around us due to distance to the mainland. Andalusia, which is arguably the biggest region in Spain, is also ruined at this point. The strongest regions are now the ones pushing for independence, (Catalonia, Basque Country, Valencia, and maybe Galicia too) whereas the poor ones are sinking along with the country.



kowenicki said:

Which island?  I visit regularly.

The Canaries could surely survive alone?  Tourism alone would be enough wouldnt it?


Tenerife.

 

I laugh at the very concept of Canaries being independent. Ever since Spaniards came and conquered the natives, we've been dependent to them. For everything, really. Not ever tourism could save us at this point. We lack basic things on which the mainland has to give us; and we're leaders in illiteracy and school abandon. Not a good prospect xD

 

There was this problem with Repsol, the petrol company, a few days ago. They wanted to go near the coasts of Gran Canaria and start prospecting for crude oil. Canary citizens actively pushed "No" in the referendum (there were also riots and things like those). Two important political figures on the Congress (which, by the way, they're also from the Canary Islands) said yes.

 

Take a guess who won in the end. Prospections have already started. We have no voice over what happens here, even if they ask us. This is just an example, but it makes my point.



kowenicki said:
crissindahouse said:

Expected it closer but still, if only every tenth No voter would have voted Yes, it would be more Yes votes and that is a number which could easily happen if just the political situation would only change a little (or if another generation would think little bit different) and a few more people would be mad about their situation right now.

...and if every 10th yes voter changed to voting No?

People can change their opinion in both directions you know.

If and buts are pointless.  The result is the result.

 

Well, if some of those who voted "No" would change their mind towards a "Yes" it would be probably political or economical situations which would probably not change some "Yes" voters opinion to a "No". It would only increase their faith in a "Yes". 

But it could obviously also happen that you get a new vote in 20 years where 60% say "No", never said anything else.



Why would any reasonable person want to leave the greatest nation in the history of the world?



                            

kowenicki said:


Ahhh.  As we just usually pop down there for a only few nights (3 or 4) to relax, its been the Sheraton Furteventura for us as a family, v quiet and relaxing.

Not been to Tenerife for a few years.

So they are starting to drill for oil of the coast? Thats not good for tourism is it, unless they are doing it out of sight?


According to Repsol, the platforms aren't visible from the coasts (bullshit, by the way. I can see them xD)

 

The best part is mocking Repsol's advertisements. Here's two examples:

 

 

"YOU CAN'T SEE A CRUISE AT 30KM FROM THE COAST.
OUR SHIPS WILL BE AT 50KM."

 

On where people replied "Ah yes, our main concern was seeing the ship. Thanks, Repsol", or "Sure, but aren't oil leaks visible, you bastards?"

 

There's also this one:

 

 

WHAT DOES CARIBE, BRASIL AND ITALY HAVE IN COMMON?

All great places to visit with their own prospecting schemes. Canary Islands have a huge opportunity no country hasn't taken.

 

Right reply reads as:

What does Caribe, Brasil and Italy have in common?

All these places have had enviromental catastrophes because of crude oil prospection. We won't allow this in the Canary Islands.

 

Also, that last advertisement mocks the goverment too. It reads as "RePPsol", where PP is the strongest political entity right now.