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Forums - Politics Discussion - Scotland: NO to Independence. 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. Salmond resigns, woo hoo!

the2real4mafol on 22 September 2014
MikeRox said:
the2real4mafol said:

Even so it would be unwise for westminister to ignore at least 1.6 million people. 


They've spent decades ignoring far more people in the North of England. Yorkshire and Lancashire alone accounting for 10m people...

Thats probably why groups like this have set up recently ~http://www.yorkshirefirst.org.uk/

Yorkshire alone has more people than Scotland 



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Scoobes on 22 September 2014
Vikki said:
trashleg said:
Vikki said:
kowenicki said:
trashleg said:

That's the point, as 5.3 million collectively, there are issues that Scotland feels quite differently to the rest of the UK on, that we just get swept away with what everybody else votes. 

No, there really isnt.  I simply don't accept that.

A majority of England voted Tory in 2010. Scotland only voted in 1 Tory constituency out of 59 in 2010. Is that not enough evidence that we have different opinions to the rest of the UK? Infact, without Scottish influence, the Tories would have had a majority in 2010. Even the Scottish Tories themselves are far more liberal than those right wing maniacs you have down in Westminster. 

There are clear differences in the way Scottish people vote to those in England.

This. 

There's a reason SNP won on a clear majority in 2011. Westminster simply wasn't representing the electorate.

Exactly! I'm by no means an SNP fan, I find myself more in line with the Greens or the SSP, but the SNP won a clear majority in 2011 because they care about Scotland more than any of the five main parties in Scotland at the moment, they're more in line with the more liberally minded working class population that Scotland has.

There are counties in England that feel the same way and also have comparable populations. I'd much rather keep these regions (including Scotland) in the Union so that the politicians are constantly challenged on there bullshit.




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the2real4mafol on 22 September 2014
Pyro as Bill said:
spurgeonryan said:
So now what? Business as usual?


Not in the slightest. This is where the fun starts.

Conservatives want England (the country) to have the same powers as Scotland.

Labour want power devolved to the cities. Labour are stronger in the cities than they are on the national (English) level.

Scotland has accidentally lit a torch under England's arse.

How independent can a group of people decide to be? City, Region, State, Nation? Borough, Street, House, Individual?

Can't wait.

I'd say regional is a good start but i think every town and city with over 50000 people at least should have an elected assembly and a mayor(kind of like what is in London currently). The scale of devolution would depend on the size of the town/ city though. I guess it would be almost like US style decentralisation. 

But if an English parliament happens then it shouldn't be in Westminister. It should be in Eton, Oxford or Cambridge. Most of them seem to come from there anyway 



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