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Forums - Politics Discussion - Bruce Rauner wants to end minimum wage in illinois. Don't vote for this guy!

Why? Wage laws are stupid. Why should a bunch of corrupt politicians decide what private business owners should pay? Let the market decide. Switzerland has no wage laws and they have a low 2.3% unemployment rate.

If a job pays too low go work somewhere else.  No one is forcing you to work there.  In fact if another job is paying more then they'll attract more workers than the place that is paying less



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HBninjaX said:

Why? Wage laws are stupid. Why should a bunch of corrupt politicians decide what private business owners should pay? Let the market decide. Switzerland has no wage laws and they have a low 2.3% unemployment rate.

If a job pays too low go work somewhere else.  No one is forcing you to work there.  In fact if another job is paying more then they'll attract more workers than the place that is paying less


yea....no.

 

i know most americans (including myself) aren't even close to making the cost of living, so the idea is stupid. the upside in my situation is i almost make 1.25 more than minimum wage (lowes) but i see somewhere between 8-15 hr's.



wow, that is quite a bit of an overreaction to an issue that is proven to be detrimental to the economy. Minimum wage is bad, and should be eliminated. Let the market decide on wages.



gergroy said:
wow, that is quite a bit of an overreaction to an issue that is proven to be detrimental to the economy. Minimum wage is bad, and should be eliminated. Let the market decide on wages.


explain



Trouble with minimum wage is people simply aren't meant to live on it. Raising the minimum wage does nothing in the long run as it does nothing to permanently shift real wages. People working those jobs will end up in just as poor a position as they were beforehand once prices adjust, with nothing to show for it but inflation. It's a good intentioned solution to a major problem, and one that certainly should get more attention, but that's the best I can say about it.

Anyway, regardless of what the guy thinks, why would you want everyone to vote against him? Just because he holds a certain view (or held, I suppose)?



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The market left to its on devices generally doesn't work out for the people. It actually produces hazardous results like depressions.



 

MTZehvor said:
Trouble with minimum wage is people simply aren't meant to live on it. Raising the minimum wage does nothing in the long run as it does nothing to permanently shift real wages. People working those jobs will end up in just as poor a position as they were beforehand once prices adjust, with nothing to show for it but inflation. It's a good intentioned solution to a major problem, and one that certainly should get more attention, but that's the best I can say about it.

Anyway, regardless of what the guy thinks, why would you want everyone to vote against him? Just because he holds a certain view (or held, I suppose)?


ok i was thinking this but it still leaves the door open for companiese to pay less than whats already offerd. i know that's highly unlikely but the ones that pay minimum wage now, could pay less because there's no minimum. it's like how some people have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet when 1 should provide all you need, but that's just wishful thinking.



MTZehvor said:
Trouble with minimum wage is people simply aren't meant to live on it. Raising the minimum wage does nothing in the long run as it does nothing to permanently shift real wages. People working those jobs will end up in just as poor a position as they were beforehand once prices adjust, with nothing to show for it but inflation. It's a good intentioned solution to a major problem, and one that certainly should get more attention, but that's the best I can say about it.

Anyway, regardless of what the guy thinks, why would you want everyone to vote against him? Just because he holds a certain view (or held, I suppose)?


Minimum wage can work for more socialistic leaning countries just perfectly. The problem with America is that it is two sided, and that both sides generally don't get along unless they have common enemy. Actually a lack of minimum wage most likely would work in a socialistic society as well, as they would most likely want everyone to not be poor as a reflection of the society. 

The reason why the minimum wage concept exists, is because of how much labor was abused in the early development of nation. Infact you could look at developing nations to see exactly what that means. 

Concepts like minimum wage, overtime, vacation time, labour laws exist so that no organization can abuse their employees like they have in the past era. 

Add: Also the two sides doesn't necessarily mean Republican vs Democrat or South vs North. It is way more complicated.



 

if the price for living goes up. rent, goods, transportation, energy etc. then wages should go up too. it shouldn't be removed.



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:
MTZehvor said:
Trouble with minimum wage is people simply aren't meant to live on it. Raising the minimum wage does nothing in the long run as it does nothing to permanently shift real wages. People working those jobs will end up in just as poor a position as they were beforehand once prices adjust, with nothing to show for it but inflation. It's a good intentioned solution to a major problem, and one that certainly should get more attention, but that's the best I can say about it.

Anyway, regardless of what the guy thinks, why would you want everyone to vote against him? Just because he holds a certain view (or held, I suppose)?


ok i was thinking this but it still leaves the door open for companiese to pay less than whats already offerd. i know that's highly unlikely but the ones that pay minimum wage now, could pay less because there's no minimum. it's like how some people have to work 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet when 1 should provide all you need, but that's just wishful thinking.

It's certainly possible, but the flip side of that is that companies may also offer more jobs with lower pay than they would otherwise. Trying to tell the free market that its prices (based on supply and demand) are incorrect is dangerous, because then you rob people of some (admittedly lower paying) opportunities that they could then use as a stepping stone to a better job.