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method114 on 17 September 2014
AnthonyW86 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
"I mean, your phone will be powerful enough to power any game in two more generations. And, so, why buy a console?"

Oh Pachter... How are you still part of this industry?

He is right though, Nvidia's K1 chip can already go toe to toe with a Wii-U. In two generations the top of the line mobile chip will get closer to an Xbox One, meaning they can run PS4/Xbox one game engines with lower detail/resolution. Connect a gamepad and you're done.

The only question is will the mobile market ever be suited for AAA games. You will need something like Steam and allow it to work on many different platforms.


No the only question is who wants to use their mobile phone to play games and essentially be cut off from the rest of the world while playing games. How many GF's are going to be pissed off when their BF says sorry babe can't talk going to hook up my phone and game.  Yes they'll have the power to do it but no one wants to give up their ability to browse the web,FB,text,and talk just to do it. If they can figure out a way do have the phone do all that and game at the same time well then I'll be more amazed they were able to do it more than anything.



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AnthonyW86 on 17 September 2014
method114 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
"I mean, your phone will be powerful enough to power any game in two more generations. And, so, why buy a console?"

Oh Pachter... How are you still part of this industry?

He is right though, Nvidia's K1 chip can already go toe to toe with a Wii-U. In two generations the top of the line mobile chip will get closer to an Xbox One, meaning they can run PS4/Xbox one game engines with lower detail/resolution. Connect a gamepad and you're done.

The only question is will the mobile market ever be suited for AAA games. You will need something like Steam and allow it to work on many different platforms.


No the only question is who wants to use their mobile phone to play games and essentially be cut off from the rest of the world while playing games. How many GF's are going to be pissed off when their BF says sorry babe can't talk going to hook up my phone and game.  Yes they'll have the power to do it but no one wants to give up their ability to browse the web,FB,text,and talk just to do it. If they can figure out a way do have the phone do all that and game at the same time well then I'll be more amazed they were able to do it more than anything.

FB, texting etc. doesn't take a lot of calculating power and should be able to run on the background in the future, but what about tablets then? More and more people have one aside there smartphones.

The thing is all it will take is one big game to make the jump, what if a game like GTA 6 or yearly sports titles like Madden or Fifa are launched on PS4/Xbox One and IOS/Android at the same time. Once that happens the rest will likely follow.



method114 on 17 September 2014
AnthonyW86 said:
method114 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
"I mean, your phone will be powerful enough to power any game in two more generations. And, so, why buy a console?"

Oh Pachter... How are you still part of this industry?

He is right though, Nvidia's K1 chip can already go toe to toe with a Wii-U. In two generations the top of the line mobile chip will get closer to an Xbox One, meaning they can run PS4/Xbox one game engines with lower detail/resolution. Connect a gamepad and you're done.

The only question is will the mobile market ever be suited for AAA games. You will need something like Steam and allow it to work on many different platforms.


No the only question is who wants to use their mobile phone to play games and essentially be cut off from the rest of the world while playing games. How many GF's are going to be pissed off when their BF says sorry babe can't talk going to hook up my phone and game.  Yes they'll have the power to do it but no one wants to give up their ability to browse the web,FB,text,and talk just to do it. If they can figure out a way do have the phone do all that and game at the same time well then I'll be more amazed they were able to do it more than anything.

FB, texting etc. doesn't take a lot of calculating power and should be able to run on the background in the future, but what about tablets then? More and more people have one aside there smartphones.

The thing is all it will take is one big game to make the jump, what if a game like GTA 6 or yearly sports titles like Madden or Fifa are launched on PS4/Xbox One and IOS/Android at the same time. Once that happens the rest will likely follow.

Tablets I could see and it would make sense because tablets (at least to me) have an issue where there is something that can do what they can do and better.  Will see what approach is taken but whatever it is they do they have to becareful because they could end up losing a lot of gamers if they make wrong choice. Me personally I have no issue going back to PC gaming if they go down a road I don't like. It will suck to miss out on Sony's exclusives but I'll be willing to deal with it.



Soundwave on 17 September 2014

Looking at the Tegra K1 which is available now, man Nintendo should be able to make a pretty beastly next-gen handheld for 2016.



Namiirei on 17 September 2014

Patcher prediction thread :



I'm outta here.



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Distant Star on 17 September 2014

Consoles are going away. This actually means that games optimized for a specific console will be a thing of the past. It doesn't mean couch gaming will go away. Games will run on Windows, Linux (Debian), iOS, and Android. This trend is about unified operating systems that affect the gaming industry and phase out 'consoles' and handhelds.

Sony
What's interesting is a 100 million console market that will be left for Sony to make a PS5 and convince developers to optimize for their hardware. Sony will be missing out on a lot of apps which will ultimately be their downfall. Sony could move to Linux (Debian) or Android (Amazon strategy), maybe both.

Nintendo
Good news for Nintendo, if they move out of their walled garden. They will probably attract third party developers.
It's up to them to choose between Linux or Android maybe both.

Valve
An example of a futuristic console. SteamOS is based on linux (Debian). It's interesting to note that they will be supporting Android. iOS and windows are out of the question.

Microsoft
Online gaming will be free again, although xbox live+ will exist (like PS3 era). Windows will still be paid, since they can't kill of that income stream. It will dwindle over time since all operating systems will be free in the future.

Apple
They have a similar business model as Microsoft. Apple TV will be your 'console' by adding a controller and iterating on (yearly) hardware releases. Apple is strong on low-end (mobile), Microsoft is strong on high-end (PC).

Google
Android is a linux distro for ARM architecture, while other linux distro's like Debian reside on X86 architecture. Eventually both will be supported.

Future
Microsoft and Apple will ultimately fail, since open platforms always win. Just like Microsoft killed Apple in '90s era. If that doesn't happen most hardware makers will go out of business which is unlikely. Gaming 'consoles' of the future are based on linux distro's probably Android and Debian. Who will win depends on which distro Nintendo, Sony and Valve will pick. Apple and Microsoft will pick one down the road. There are other companys to consider like Amazon, Yahoo and Facebook.

Cloudgaming will be part of the future, while digital downloads will still exist (especially for high-end).



Vena on 17 September 2014
Soundwave said:
Looking at the Tegra K1 which is available now, man Nintendo should be able to make a pretty beastly next-gen handheld for 2016.


Oh god no.



prayformojo on 18 September 2014
Dark_Feanor said:

PC is blending with tablets and mobile. That is Microsoft vision.

There will always be people that want high class quality entertainment that only a powerfull hardware at location can provide. 

The same way movie theater still exists, unless you are willing to spend thousands on your own home theater you can´t get closo to that level of quality.

However, the big money is on people that would be satisfied with tablets and smartphone games.

I think the next leap is a discless console that acts like a Steam machine with the capability to also stream games. After that, we'll see something like Apple TV, but for video games. A tiny little HDDless console that allows for streaming only. I think that will probably be the final version as far as traditional consoles go.

VR is where we're all heading though. 



HyrulianScrolls on 19 September 2014
prayformojo said:
Dark_Feanor said:

PC is blending with tablets and mobile. That is Microsoft vision.

There will always be people that want high class quality entertainment that only a powerfull hardware at location can provide. 

The same way movie theater still exists, unless you are willing to spend thousands on your own home theater you can´t get closo to that level of quality.

However, the big money is on people that would be satisfied with tablets and smartphone games.

I think the next leap is a discless console that acts like a Steam machine with the capability to also stream games. After that, we'll see something like Apple TV, but for video games. A tiny little HDDless console that allows for streaming only. I think that will probably be the final version as far as traditional consoles go.

VR is where we're all heading though. 

I rememeber thinking back when Wii came out how perfect it would be if Nintendo focused on VR as their next gaming advance, since I knew even back then we were eventually headed there. But I think the Virtual Boy disaster scared them out of attempting anything there again, and now they're going to be beaten to the punch for mainstream VR it looks like. Huge missed opportunity for them imo, would have been a perfect marriage.



Locknuts on 19 September 2014

Logically I can totally see where he is coming from. It will come down to exclusive content in the end though. The only company who is really concerned with exclusives though is Nintendo and they're seeing mixed results (3DS pretty good, Wii U pretty bad).