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Should Scotland leave the union? If yes or no please say why.

Yes 152 43.80%
 
No 143 41.21%
 
It does not matter 26 7.49%
 
I dont understand 26 7.49%
 
Total:347
Metrium on 16 September 2014
MoHasanie said:
Metrium said:


The aging population is no longer true since a few years now, since the last 5years or so our population has been growing. And I don't see how a population of only 8million is so bad since alot of country is even lower.

If these english speakers feel so intimidated by a strong french culture and refuse to assimilate themselves to the point where theyd rather leave, so be it. Montréal is already filled with english speakers that refuse to speak or learn french despite the french majority. They see themselves above ''the indigenous'' to learn our language, forcing the majority around them to speak their language. I would'nt mind seeing these ppl go. And these are not at all every english speakers that are this way, a minority of them, but these are the majority that would leave. Also, lots of them talk about it, it's easy to talk about threatening of leaving, but if québec would really become independant and it would be time to turn these threats into actions, most of them would'nt bother.

The federal government does'nt ''give'' us money. We the people of Québec pay federal taxs, that's what those taxs are for. Federal taxs that we would stop paying if we were independant. Probably we would'nt pay less taxs since we would probably still pay the same amount but this time to the province. The difference is that instead of paying that federal tax that partly goes back to us, but a big part also goes to oil sands, submarines and other things that quebecers don't care about, that federal tax would entirely go to us.

I think as we speak, our bigest trade partner are the USA but I'm not sure enough to call it a fact since I could be wrong, we sell them alot of hydro electricity and Québec has so many ressources to trade. We have hydro electricity, tons of minerals in the north, apples, diary farms etc.

The population has been growing mainly due to an increase in immigration from French speaking North African countries. 

If Quebec were to become inependant, French would be the main language. Up till now, there are still people that live in Quebec that don't speak French. Those people would certainly leave. 

Your biggest trade partner is USA now but there's no gurantee that you'll be part of the North American Free Trade bloc. 

 

Here is a paragraph from a report that was released that studied how Quebec benefits from being part of Canada: 

There is a belief among separatists that, in leaving the Canadian federation and repatriating the taxes paid to the 

government federal, Québec find itself with an important surplus of revenues plus would be able to eliminate any 

deficit and ensure funding of all current provincial programs, plus those it would inherit from the Canadian 

government. That thesis goes against all economic logic. Québec contributes 20% of the revenues of the Canadian 

government while a big part of federal spending in the province is done on a per-capita basis, meaning that 

Québec receives 23.5% of the moneys paid out by Ottawa. Moreover, programs like defence, international 

relations, transport and others entail important economies of scale, scope, network and coordination, economies 

that would be lost if Québec decided to go it alone.


You made some good points and I won't contradict you cause doing otherwise would just be me talking out of my ass since I don't have any data. But not everything needs to be a economical issue, sometimes it's a social issue. Even if rough times would be ahead, on the long run socially and culturaly their is alot of benefits that I guess you will never understand. It's a question of national pride and identity that makes these sacrifices worth it.



 

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the2real4mafol on 17 September 2014

I don't get why England doesn't have it's own parliament like Scotland has



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fluky-nintendy on 17 September 2014

Scotland ppl are mad! They will become poor if they do it, or at least their quality of life will diminish a lot. They're overreacting and acting all arrogant for almost no reason, how mad they are.



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DanneSandin on 17 September 2014

Speaking of Independence or to NOT be independent... I would love to see a Scandinavian Union! Bring back the Kalmar Union I tell ya!



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DanneSandin on 17 September 2014

Anyways, anyone wanna explain fast and simple why the Scots wanna be independent all of a (not so) sudden?



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The Fury on 17 September 2014
DanneSandin said:
Anyways, anyone wanna explain fast and simple why the Scots wanna be independent all of a (not so) sudden?

FREEDOM!!

 

... seriously, as a British citizen, no idea. 



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Alby_da_Wolf on 17 September 2014
JazzB1987 said:
Serious_frusting said:

Its a real hot debate. If you have been keeping track the polls are showing it can swing one way or the other. If Scotland do vote to leave the union then the UK is going to lose like 7 million or so people. I have always seen the welsh, scotish and english culture as one. I mean the royal fam have scottish roots afterall.

 

I am just wondering what others are thinking about this vote.

 

I think it is wrong that scotch people who live in England have no vote about it. I would like to here anyones opinion on this.

Well the royal Family is  Saxony-Coburg-Gotha. Windsor is just the name of their mansion.  Which makes them basically German. I want to see you explain the british that they are Germans :)


TBH I would like to see Scotland be independent. Will certainly shake things up a bit about  "this is territory of country X"   "A belongs to B" etc etc.  I mean if politicians ignore the will of a "minority" then that minority should be allowed to be independent etc.

But they actually ARE and they were even before the last reigning dynasty. They are Anglo-Saxons, half Celts (with later Roman additions), half Germans. Only Highlanders, Welsh and a few others are almost pure Celts (or even preceltic people) with some minor external additions.



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JazzB1987 on 17 September 2014
binary solo said:
JazzB1987 said:
binary solo said:
JazzB1987 said:
Serious_frusting said:

Its a real hot debate. If you have been keeping track the polls are showing it can swing one way or the other. If Scotland do vote to leave the union then the UK is going to lose like 7 million or so people. I have always seen the welsh, scotish and english culture as one. I mean the royal fam have scottish roots afterall.

 

I am just wondering what others are thinking about this vote.

 

I think it is wrong that scotch people who live in England have no vote about it. I would like to here anyones opinion on this.

Well the royal Family is  Saxony-Coburg-Gotha. Windsor is just the name of their mansion.  Which makes them basically German. I want to see you explain the british that they are Germans :)


TBH I would like to see Scotland be independent. Will certainly shake things up a bit about  "this is territory of country X"   "A belongs to B" etc etc.  I mean if politicians ignore the will of a "minority" then that minority should be allowed to be independent etc.

What a strange and ridiculous notion, in this context. If 49.9% of Scots vote for independence and 50.1% vote to stay with the union how would you propose to give that large minority independence? They will be scattered throughout Scotland, so would you round them all up and plonk them into Glasgow and make this an independent enclave, and have all Glaswegians who voted to stay in the Union move somewhere else?

This is about a group of people  49% of scots are still scots asking every single individual will make things way to complicated. And I was talking about a minority in the sense of ethnicity/race/group  "not just less people". People should decide what group of people they want to be identified with as long as they DO have a connection with that group.

THAT SAID THO if you as an individual dont want to be part of your country you should be allowed to be independent. You have to accept all the disadvantages tho. Like border checkpoints all around your property, paying to use the other countries roads and needing a Visa or whatever. If you accept those annoying things no matter how ridiculous they are noone should force you to be part of something you dont want to be a part of.

Forcing people into countries etc is complete nonsense.

Oh dear, you're one of those. Well there is absolutely no point in carrying on a conversation.


Better luck next time in trying to hide the fact you have nothing to counter  "liberty" or "the human right of individuality" etc.

I also dont want to live in a world where every person is his/her own little country but I understand that its not up to me or my opinion whether this is happening or not. I am not placing my interests above the interests of others. So if Scotland wants to be independent let them be. I mean would you want the brits to use the EURO?  They decided to keep the pound and thats okay since its their wish. Its not up to the rest of europe to decide for them.

So if by "those people" you mean adults that understand such a thing and that thinks a government should respect its citizens then you are 100% right.


I mean why dont you try to elaborate what part of my OPINION you disagree with? Whats the point in this "1 sentence that makes no sense" reply? Other than "hey look I dislike people like you and you are not worth a reply" its trying to be insulting and is in no way relevant to this topic so its off-topic.



The Fury on 17 September 2014
DanneSandin said:
Anyways, anyone wanna explain fast and simple why the Scots wanna be independent all of a (not so) sudden?

No one has answered sinc emy joke answer.

I think the base of it is; some always wanted independence, SNP always gets a lot of votes. However, introduction of their own parliament, followed by financial crisis (notice how more nations have popular nationalist parties at the moment), SNP gained power in local parliament and got majority so passed their bill for referendum. Westminster said 'Okay' for them to have it. 



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trashleg on 17 September 2014
DanneSandin said:
Anyways, anyone wanna explain fast and simple why the Scots wanna be independent all of a (not so) sudden?


I'll tell you why.

The population of the UK is divided into constituencies (represented by seats in the House of Commons - a total of 626). Since Scotland has ~8% of the UK population, you can't expect us to ever have an effective vote in Westminster (UK) government. In the last general (UK-wide) election, there was one constituency in Scotland that had a majority vote for a member of parliament (MP) from the Conservative party.

The party with the most seats in Parliament forms the cabinet (basically the leading party provides the guys "at the top"). 

Last election, the Conservatives didn't have enough constituencies (seats) to form a simple majority government. Since the chances of them forming a coalition govt with the Labour party were sliiiiiiim, it was up to the centre-ist party (the Liberal Democrats) to choose, basically, which other party to form a coalition with. They had pledged to side with Labour but went with the Conservatives instead.

And so it came to pass that Westminster has a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition led by David Cameron, Conservative extraordinaire. Now, for the UK as a whole this might seem representative, or fair. But for the 5.3ish million people in Scotland, this did NOT represent our political intentions. 

So politically, having a local government that is more closely aligned with the policies and the representation that we actually desire, seems functionally more appropriate than being at the mercy of a government that has more important priorities, and a different political ideology.

To summarise. I suggest you all watch this. It's pretty fantastic.

 



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