Scotland to leave the UK?

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Should Scotland leave the union? If yes or no please say why.

Yes 152 43.80%
No 143 41.21%
It does not matter 26 7.49%
I dont understand 26 7.49%
Conegamer said:
It'd be a bad idea if they go their own way. Having watched and followed through the referendum most of the Yes votes are through belief and general dislike of the English, concentrated by Salmond and the SNP. Very very few Yes voters are doing it because it'll be better economically or because Scots would be better off, because odds are that won't be the case.

It's the same thing as in this thread. People like throwing the idea of independence about but when it comes down to the finer details, often it just doesn't make sense to be in a worse position than what they are in now.

That's how it feels for this, and if Scotland vote yes (which still seems highly unlikely IMO) then they will find that out the hard way.

A lot of leftist Scots i've spoken to (TVTropes, my other forum, leans heavily to the left in its off-topic section) seem to feel that it's a lot about breaking away from right-leaning Westminster.

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ThatDanishGamer said:

Leaving Great Britain is a bad idea. It will weaken Scotland and what's left of Great Britain.

Btw I find it weird that they can make such big decision even if only 50.1% vote yes.

Whilst I agree that it's odd that anything over 50% wins the vote, even 50.001%, it's what the Edinburgh Agreement states, and is what the British and Scottish parliaments agreed with each other. If it does end like that, it will be very much the loser's fault that the result stands.

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Mr Khan said:
I think it's silly, honestly. Scotland's got the best of both worlds, a devolved parliament which decides on most things but war and how to manage the pound sterling, without having to fend for themselves.

Sometimes independence is the right choice, but not all the time, and really not here (the Scots'll learn that the hard way. Being an independent nation under the sterling, or joining the Eurozone, will be bad juju for them economically).

If that was the case, there would be far fewer people in Scotland looking to vote yes, and the leaders of the three primary parties would not be offering the Scottish parliament significantly more powers. As it stands, the devolved parliament holds much less power than you suggest, requires Westminster approval for any further powers, and can also be dissolved at the whim of Westminster without any legal argument against it. Yes, the current situation for Scotland does have some advantages, but it does not have the best of both worlds by some significant measure.

It *can* be dissolved by Westminster, just like Westminster *can* pass "Bills of Attainder" or *can* re-establish the Royal Ulster Constabulary, but it's not going to do any of those things.

Scotland now is a bit like Puerto Rico, except the Scots get full representation in Parliament as well as a wide range of self-rule options at home and the benefits of being integrated into a larger, more dynamic economy, with a strong currency which the country is in full control of.

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I'm English but I think they should go independent. The Scottish parliament is very different to west minister politically and would better represent them if given full power. I have little doubt that they could make a success of it.

That's the general consensus of both Yes and No voters in Scotland. Few doubt that Scotland would be fine by itself. That's not really an issue anyone engages with significantly up here. It's taken as a given. I forget just how many times I've watched No supports saying they're proud Scots that have no doubt Scotland could go it alone. They just doubt that they want to be separated in the first place. Why bother? Things are fine as they are, even if they are not perfect.

Others, of course, disagree.

Doesn't Scotland have a huge oil reserve in the Northern Sea? As long as they can manage that right I don't see why they will have economic problems.

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Yes. Irish, Scottish and Welsh are Celts. English are Saxons i.e. Germans. And so is the Royal Family. You know India and China. They are genetically and ethnically different. Same in the UK

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Zekkyou said:
Metrium said:
If I lived in a country that still acts like if this was the 17th century where it's ok to be ruled by queens, dukes and princes, I would certainly want to leave.

It's funny you say that, because your VGC page says you live in Canada. One of her official titles is in-fact the "Queen of Canada", since Canada still exist under the monarchy in a form. She's the granny on your $20 notes.

Anyway, we aren't rules by her or the royal family. The queen is mostly just a figure head who has a very small amount of theoretical power. For the most part she just engages in formalities like swearing in the new prime ministers etc.

There isn't much reason to get rid of them, so we don't. As well as being great for tourism and a part of our national identity, they happen to be the largest land owners on the planet Without getting into details, we make almost £160m in profit every year simply by keeping them around. Dat sweet sweet Crown Estate revenue deal.

Have you heard of HMRC?

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Aura7541 said:
I feel that Scotland's demand for independence is emotionally driven. I'm very concerned on whether they have what it takes to maintain themselves economically.

Yes, for many, it is emotionally driven, but the same can equally be said for both Yes and No voters; just look at the passionate unionist on Question Time as an example of that. Indeed, as an interesting aside to this, it was widely reported here in Scotland that those who prefer to seek out facts are mostly choosing Yes over No, which was one of the reasons for the massive swing to Yes recently.

As for the finances? Scotland will be fine. It's already one of the richest countries in the world, after all (top 20, as I remember; 14th is it?). I'm not saying it will be easy, but it will be fine should it get an unlikely Yes vote. there are many articles about this online if you're interested. No one here in Scotland doubts this part of it, they doubt whether all the hassle and risks of being independant is worth it for the advantages.

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MoHasanie said:
I think Scottish people are gonna make a huge mistake if they decide to vote for independence.

Can you explain why?

I don't think they've thought this through. 5m people only, and the major companies will probably relocate to London. That will hurt the Scottish economy. 


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The Fury said:
Hapimeses said:
XanderXT said:
Being part British myself, it's strange on why they want right now to become independent.

It's not a 'right now' matter. The desire for Scottish independence is old. The opportunity for this referendum arose because the SNP managed a majority at the last Scottish parliamentary election, and were in a position to push it forward. So they did. And we have a vote coming up.

I presume he means now as in after after the ecomonic issues. If UK and world economy was strong, lets say like it was in the late 90s, many might not have had as much concern of uncertainy as they do now.

I understood that. However, as I said, the opportunity to politically secure a referendum did not exist then, or, indeed, at any other time. It exists now, and only because the SNP secured an almost unbelievable majority in the Scottish parliament. The opportunity will likely not come again for a very, very long time, so given the SNP's raison d'etre is independence, they couldn't very well get into power and not push for a referendum on the matter. Yes, the timing could have been better, but they took what they had and worked with it.

In short, I'm sure the SNP would have preferred a more favourable environment, fiscally, for the vote, but they didn't have that choice.

Nevertheless, I think they've actually been pretty lucky with their timing, all things considered. We currently have one of the least popular governments in recent history in Westminster as far as Scotland is concerned, and that has really played into the Yes campaign's hands, primarily as Scotland did not vote for any of its policies, yet is having many of them forced upon it.