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Should Scotland leave the union? If yes or no please say why.

Yes 152 43.80%
 
No 143 41.21%
 
It does not matter 26 7.49%
 
I dont understand 26 7.49%
 
Total:347
benao87 said:


Hey it's your fault, you never really finished your Scotish course thread!, ..... did you? ^_^

Yeh, I even stayed up late to see the results. I reckon that you got some rights devolved, ....didn't you? :/  Please don't charge all the guilt to the oldies, ......but I don't really know much, the only thing is that I sincerely hope that you guys get the best of this situation.

You're right, I never did. Maybe I could have converted all of VGC into Scottish people

The ballot paper was explicitly one question, "Should Scotland be an independent country?" Yes/No. 
The option of devolved powers (devo max) wasn't allowed on the paper, but it was pledged by the Westminster party leaders that it was the alternative to independence.

Now a proportion of backbenchers, and Miliband, are saying they will oppose Scotland having more powers. Shafted. 



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
the2real4mafol said:

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Can't speak for other places but as far as i know Britain isn't quite that divided although places like Cornwall and Yorkshire seem quite keen on gaining autonomy. Italy isn't surprising though as it was split more or less like that till the 1860s. Italy could of easily not existed at all  

There was a strong patriotic feeling in many Italian states, but differences were so wide that Italy would have needed to become a federation far more than USA or Germany. But the king of Piedmont was too greedy and power-hungry to let this happen and he annexed the other regions, imposing laws, rules and taxes that were really good only for Piedmont and a few parts of Lombardy and Veneto, but deleterious for example for my town, Genoa, and Naples, that in fact from then on almost always remained in a state of economic crisis, social unrest and perennial need of central state aid, while before the Republic of Genoa and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (Naples, Sicily and the rest of Southern Italy), despite having too their share of problems in their poorest parts, were by far the richest Italian states.

I read about it. It's really fascinating as Italians seem to have a proper sense of their local area. Apparently each region and even town has different ways of saying things and slightly different customs to each other and that leads to rivalries. And some of the regions were actually fine as little countries. Veneto had a very strong history at least until Napoleon invaded. 

I still have no idea how they got over the issue of annexing the papal states

But yeah i agree with what you are saying based on what i know. The regions are too different and the north probably has too much influence in Italian politics to this day. Although the Lega Nord seems to disagree. It's weird though as in other countries a nation sometimes hates foreigners but in Italy the regions seem to hate each other, especially north vs south. 



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trashleg said:
benao87 said:


Hey it's your fault, you never really finished your Scotish course thread!, ..... did you? ^_^

Yeh, I even stayed up late to see the results. I reckon that you got some rights devolved, ....didn't you? :/  Please don't charge all the guilt to the oldies, ......but I don't really know much, the only thing is that I sincerely hope that you guys get the best of this situation.

You're right, I never did. Maybe I could have converted all of VGC into Scottish people

The ballot paper was explicitly one question, "Should Scotland be an independent country?" Yes/No. 
The option of devolved powers (devo max) wasn't allowed on the paper, but it was pledged by the Westminster party leaders that it was the alternative to independence.

Now a proportion of backbenchers, and Miliband, are saying they will oppose Scotland having more powers. Shafted. 

Politicians are just wankers. I just hope people don't let them get away with it this time. One of the reasons i would of voted yes is to leave these arseholes to it and get scotland proper powers anyway.

I guess this is why Westminister refused to agree to devo max as they wanted to shaft people like this.

The problem is if Scottish people feel like this again they could easily hold another referendum later. I just wish politicians were honest for once.  



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KylieDog said:
I don't see why Scotland should have its own powers, the point of being one nation is to be one nation. Just because Westminster/parliament is in England doesn't make it an English parlament. It is British.

The problem comes from how the constituencies are layed out. It is based on population and while Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have a decent populations, England's is so much bigger. While Scotland has 60 or so constituencies, England has over 500 so many think that the Scottish voices are not being heard. 500 people voice the concerns of the English, 60 voice the concerns of the Scottish. Althought many don't see it as this way (you and me probably see it as 655 voice the concerns of the UK) when it comes to problems or issues that concern Scotland, Wales or NI more/only, having 500 English voices outweighing them is seen as unfair.



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KylieDog said:
I don't see why Scotland should have its own powers, the point of being one nation is to be one nation. Just because Westminster/parliament is in England doesn't make it an English parlament. It is British.

Do you believe in one central government no matter how big a country is? 

And yeah we are British but we are also 4 distinct peoples with lots of regional differences as well. All need to be represented far better in a far more federal system 



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KylieDog said:
the2real4mafol said:
KylieDog said:
I don't see why Scotland should have its own powers, the point of being one nation is to be one nation. Just because Westminster/parliament is in England doesn't make it an English parlament. It is British.

Do you believe in one central government no matter how big a country is? 

And yeah we are British but we are also 4 distinct peoples with lots of regional differences as well. All need to be represented far better in a far more federal system 


Not even close, can split England alone up a dozen times over if looking for 'distinct peoples'.  It is silly to expect a government for each of them just as it is for the England, Scotland etc.

Thats why i said 4 peoples. 4 governments with regional bodies/ committees representing each different area. Westminister would remain the national parlaiment for all peoples though 



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