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starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:

No Xbox One SKU has received a price cut since launch in the USA.

Cool story though!

You mean official pricecut right?

Because they had a 450 TF bundle with FM5 in several stores, even on MS one. And all this free games promotions and whatsonot is soft cutting and you know it.

Lets be clear. There have been intermittent retailer deals, and some bundling - both of which Sony already does.

The poster I responded too wrote "At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year " and yet its my post you take issue with?


I take no issue with your post... And for me a preposterous post regarding 200 by the end of the year don't even deserves a reply because you know what the intention of the poster was.

I replied to your post because I know you aren't trying any funny bussiness. And yes Sony does bundle, but for PS4 I haven't saw any free games bundle, the first bundle to have a discount is Destiny (10 dollars) if I'm not wrong.

And as I said, I agree there isn't a official pricecut, just several promotions, deals, etc... but it's clear that since TF the real price of a X1 was never 400 (assuming 100 for kinect during that time as well), because you always had one or two games for free or even limited time discounts... and all of those are great and MS had to try them to grab more sales. The only discussion that should be had on MS deals (which for people that want the games being offered on each of the individual deals are really good value) is that if they don't make too much to early and make customers be on hold waiting that maybe next month they will offer even a better value deal and end up making more harm than good with the deals.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:

Lets be clear. There have been intermittent retailer deals, and some bundling - both of which Sony already does.

The poster I responded too wrote "At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year " and yet its my post you take issue with?

I take no issue with your post... And for me a preposterous post regarding 200 by the end of the year don't even deserves a reply because you know what the intention of the poster was.

I replied to your post because I know you aren't trying any funny bussiness. And yes Sony does bundle, but for PS4 I haven't saw any free games bundle, the first bundle to have a discount is Destiny (10 dollars) if I'm not wrong.

And as I said, I agree there isn't a official pricecut, just several promotions, deals, etc... but it's clear that since TF the real price of a X1 was never 400 (assuming 100 for kinect during that time as well), because you always had one or two games for free or even limited time discounts... and all of those are great and MS had to try them to grab more sales. The only discussion that should be had on MS deals (which for people that want the games being offered on each of the individual deals are really good value) is that if they don't make too much to early and make customers be on hold waiting that maybe next month they will offer even a better value deal and end up making more harm than good with the deals.

I don't think anyone is going to question that Microsoft has had to offer greater incentives than Sony has to generate sales.

But there is this pervasive idea on these forums that Microsoft has somehow become desperate, based largely of a sense of price cutting that simply has not materialised (yet). One can make the argument that the price of entry has lowered with the removal of Kinect, but at the end of the day its apples and oranges as the SKU has substantially less features.



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

Pachter probably predicted a price cut for this year. He is trying to make his prediction come true. Honestly guys, stop giving him visibility.



starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:

Lets be clear. There have been intermittent retailer deals, and some bundling - both of which Sony already does.

The poster I responded too wrote "At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year " and yet its my post you take issue with?

I take no issue with your post... And for me a preposterous post regarding 200 by the end of the year don't even deserves a reply because you know what the intention of the poster was.

I replied to your post because I know you aren't trying any funny bussiness. And yes Sony does bundle, but for PS4 I haven't saw any free games bundle, the first bundle to have a discount is Destiny (10 dollars) if I'm not wrong.

And as I said, I agree there isn't a official pricecut, just several promotions, deals, etc... but it's clear that since TF the real price of a X1 was never 400 (assuming 100 for kinect during that time as well), because you always had one or two games for free or even limited time discounts... and all of those are great and MS had to try them to grab more sales. The only discussion that should be had on MS deals (which for people that want the games being offered on each of the individual deals are really good value) is that if they don't make too much to early and make customers be on hold waiting that maybe next month they will offer even a better value deal and end up making more harm than good with the deals.

I don't think anyone is going to question that Microsoft has had to offer greater incentives than Sony has to generate sales.

But there is this pervasive idea on these forums that Microsoft has somehow become desperate, based largely of a sense of price cutting that simply has not materialised (yet). One can make the argument that the price of entry has lowered with the removal of Kinect, but at the end of the day its apples and oranges as the SKU has substantially less features.


The sensation of MS desperation is probably because we follow all their actions and try to spin it to seek of desperation and not just MS trying to find the best way to propel their sales... and since most here are really nitpick about one company or another and like to criticize their every move when MS do a promotion a month (more or less) and have some PR blunders then we all push it to the desperation route.

For me MS Xbox division is a little cornered and need results but MS as a whole could care less, I actually don't even see why the investor complain or would complain so much about they not making hefties of money on Xbox since the company as a whole is quite health and Xbox even being a distraction never impended them from making lot of profit.

But yes we shouldn't try to make all MS moves seem desperate. If sales were reversed we would say Sony is lenient and MS is overkilling, so in the end is just corporations playing their game to push sales.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
GamechaserBE said:
DonFerrari said:
GamechaserBE said:

Well he is making himself popular, people are retweeting/talking about him on messageboard, sites/magazines/devs/big companies will pick up that he still means something in the industry and would try to approach him...So also with doing this he also stays having a job...


he is already infamous.

Yeah but that makes him interesting for sites etc...


Not sure people would keep paying for his analysis even if they are faulty just because he get hits on sites... altought some people (me included) think the real analysis and trends he do is quite valuable for bussinessmen, just this "free" speechs were he just want publicity is almost always aimed to get some reaction.

Because he also has been right and probably a lot more than people assume but right or wrong people will hate him or laugh with him.  

Early last generation on Gametrailers he made predcitions...One was that the Wii will not sell well and he was obviously wrong and plenty of people especially the Nintendo fanbase laughed/hated him for that prediction...   He also made a prediction that PS3 will have a very hard time in USA and that came true aswell and for that prediction a lot of Sony fans and gamers overall laughed with him and hated him for that predicition..     Must say that last year he was gaining a lot of fans with his show on gametrailers;.



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GamechaserBE said:
DonFerrari said:
GamechaserBE said:

Yeah but that makes him interesting for sites etc...


Not sure people would keep paying for his analysis even if they are faulty just because he get hits on sites... altought some people (me included) think the real analysis and trends he do is quite valuable for bussinessmen, just this "free" speechs were he just want publicity is almost always aimed to get some reaction.

Because he also has been right and probably a lot more than people assume but right or wrong people will hate him or laugh with him.  

Early last generation on Gametrailers he made predcitions...One was that the Wii will not sell well and he was obviously wrong and plenty of people especially the Nintendo fanbase laughed/hated him for that prediction...   He also made a prediction that PS3 will have a very hard time in USA and that came true aswell and for that prediction a lot of Sony fans and gamers overall laughed with him and hated him for that predicition..     Must say that last year he was gaining a lot of fans with his show on gametrailers;.


He is a big target =] ... but I get fun with his predictions so I don't have hate for him.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Vasto said:

Why not make it $299 + MCC?

Better yet



When you say Mobile and Xb1 exclusive you do you mean Win 8 mobile exclusive? MS is a hell of a lot more interested in pushing mobile so why would they do this? MC is not big enough to sway enough people to buy into the Windows 8 mobile ecosystem... they would risk killing the IP and never making the money back on the investment.

Now if you ment all of mobile, then why would MS allow Apple and Google the opportunity to get Minecraft 2, keep in mind it's a market MS WANTS and Google and Apple are the key competition and then not allow sony to get Minecraft 2 in a market MS does not see as vitial and not part of the core.

The Xbox division as far as I know will not be running this IP, MS would be tossing away countless $$$'s if they abandoned key install bases. I say they use Mincecraft to drive mobile.. this deal has little to do with pushing consoles as it's trying to grow mobile... there is a bigger picture here and having this game on every and all available platforms is key.



starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:
starcraft said:
DonFerrari said:

Lets be clear. There have been intermittent retailer deals, and some bundling - both of which Sony already does.

The poster I responded too wrote "At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year " and yet its my post you take issue with?

I take no issue with your post... And for me a preposterous post regarding 200 by the end of the year don't even deserves a reply because you know what the intention of the poster was.

I replied to your post because I know you aren't trying any funny bussiness. And yes Sony does bundle, but for PS4 I haven't saw any free games bundle, the first bundle to have a discount is Destiny (10 dollars) if I'm not wrong.

And as I said, I agree there isn't a official pricecut, just several promotions, deals, etc... but it's clear that since TF the real price of a X1 was never 400 (assuming 100 for kinect during that time as well), because you always had one or two games for free or even limited time discounts... and all of those are great and MS had to try them to grab more sales. The only discussion that should be had on MS deals (which for people that want the games being offered on each of the individual deals are really good value) is that if they don't make too much to early and make customers be on hold waiting that maybe next month they will offer even a better value deal and end up making more harm than good with the deals.

I don't think anyone is going to question that Microsoft has had to offer greater incentives than Sony has to generate sales.

But there is this pervasive idea on these forums that Microsoft has somehow become desperate, based largely of a sense of price cutting that simply has not materialised (yet). One can make the argument that the price of entry has lowered with the removal of Kinect, but at the end of the day its apples and oranges as the SKU has substantially less features.


The fact of the matter is that MS is desperate to ignite XB1 sales, which have been a huge disappointment for the majority of 2014.

Hell, you dont see Sony selling a Destiny bundle for $399 or a Madden 15 bundle for the same price, or anything like that.

Even going back to the 360 vs. PS3 war, MS typically bundled games with their console without ever raising the price, and it should

be no surprise, as MS has an ample supply of cash on hand to absorb the losses from these sales promotions.



starcraft said:
wary-wallaroo said:
And the game of Limbo continues, how low can they go?

Honestly, aren't they risking devaluing the brand? At this point, anyone with a brain is probably thinking "hmmm, there's a new price cut/promotion every month, might as well wait till it's cheaper next month".

At this rate, I expect a $200 X1 by the end of next year and I see no reason why someone would jump in now. Might as well just wait.

No Xbox One SKU has received a price cut since launch in the USA.

Cool story though!

What is it with some Xbox fans and their incessant battle to make people think that Xbox's never get a price cut?  You guys did the same thing last gen.  "Oh, it's not a price cut, they just replaced a SKU.  Man, Xbox hasn't got a price cut in 6 years."  You do realize that only people in your own fanbase buy that, right?

@ OP

I doubt there is much they can do to combat the massive boost the PS4 is going to get this holiday season.  Both MS and Sony are undoubtedly going to have Black Friday SKUs for $349, with or without a game.  The only thing that would help is if MS went even lower to $299.  Of course, I doubt they will do that.